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Post by jakehn54 on Jun 29, 2010 13:03:08 GMT
This has appeared on the TFL website
On Tuesday 29 June, the 1355 Chalfont & Latimer to Chesham and the 1407 Chesham to Chalfont & Latimer trains are cancelled. Bus replacement service operates between Amersham and Chesham.
Why is it only these two trains have been cancelled.
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Post by cso on Jun 29, 2010 13:06:24 GMT
I was about to ask that... especially as it appeared as 'Disrupted' rather than "Part Suspended"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2010 13:10:11 GMT
Operation of the Track Recording Train?
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Post by SE13 on Jun 29, 2010 13:51:13 GMT
Could be, or maybe the next section of S Stock testing?
prjb did mention that they are doing sections at a time, as I understand it they've done quite a bit on the Watford branch.
Please note that this is pure speculation on my part, I know no more than anyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2010 14:02:19 GMT
Yeah because the track recorder is running
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Post by cso on Jun 29, 2010 14:06:12 GMT
Yeah because the track recorder is running Surely they should be able to do that without cancelling passenger services? I know it's only the small shuttle to Chesham, but still... |
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Post by jakehn54 on Jun 29, 2010 14:17:02 GMT
Well the Chesham branch is only a single track, so theres no space for the TRT and a passenger train.
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Post by Phil on Jun 29, 2010 15:43:37 GMT
One (return) journey? Middle of weekday? Track has to be recorded sometime when it's light.
Sounds fair enough. Inconvenient for a (very) few but not a disaster in the bigger scheme of things.....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2010 16:08:09 GMT
It's a semi-regular "feature" on the Chesham branch. Wasn't so long ago it was a replacement taxi service.
Wonder if this will continue once the all day running to Chesham starts?
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Post by cso on Jun 29, 2010 16:08:37 GMT
One (return) journey? Middle of weekday? Track has to be recorded sometime when it's light. That's fair enough, it just seems a bit of a strange time to do it to me... I don't know how often the shuttles run, or how much notice was given but at least there was a replacement bus service to Amersham. |
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Post by peterc on Jun 29, 2010 17:09:24 GMT
Bus to Amersham is fine for southbound passengers but those going towards Chesham will probably be unable to hear any on board announcements and most of those that do will ignore them.
During the first week of full through running its going to be fun watching people waiting at the bay platform at Chalfont.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2010 17:33:32 GMT
It's mentioned in 'The Hastings Diesels Story' that on the 17th December 1985, power cars 60004/60005 along with trailer 60523 and the TRC formed the 1421 Chalfont and 1431 Chesham return. There is a picture of it passing Neasden in the book.
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Post by 21146 on Jun 29, 2010 18:02:26 GMT
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Post by Chris M on Jun 29, 2010 18:11:15 GMT
Would it be possible to couple a passenger stock train to the front or rear of the track recording train and record the track at the same time as operating a passenger service?
If so this would inconvenience almost no member of the travelling public (the only downside would be a longer walk from train to exit or vice versa if the pax stock was at the south end of the train). I guess it would require at least one member of station staff at each station it called at in service to ensure nobody tried to board the wrong portion, which would presumably cost more. It would be more hassle for depot staff though.
(This isn't a flight of fancy Phil, it's a genuine question as to whether it would be possible)
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Post by jakehn54 on Jun 29, 2010 18:21:23 GMT
Would it be possible to couple a passenger stock train to the front or rear of the track recording train and record the track at the same time as operating a passenger service? If so this would inconvenience almost no member of the travelling public (the only downside would be a longer walk from train to exit or vice versa if the pax stock was at the south end of the train). I guess it would require at least one member of station staff at each station it called at in service to ensure nobody tried to board the wrong portion, which would presumably cost more. It would be more hassle for depot staff though. (This isn't a flight of fancy Phil, it's a genuine question as to whether it would be possible) Its probably more convinient just to run the bus, i doubt whether closing the Chesham branch for an hour would have the same affect as say closing the Central Line for an hour. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 29, 2010 19:09:13 GMT
Would it be possible to couple a passenger stock train to the front or rear of the track recording train and record the track at the same time as operating a passenger service? The track recording train has to be able to cover the whole network and so is formed of tube stock. Coupler heights on tube stock are different from those on surface stock. Had it still been open, it might have been possible to do this on the Ongar branch, but it would have also been easy to run the TRT between the peaks, when no public trains were running on the branch. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2010 1:07:53 GMT
*flight of fancy*
A shame, then, that the 1938TS Wedgelock couplers aren't compatible with the 1960TS Wedgelock couplers...
*flight of fancy*
Seriously though, are passenger loadings on the Chesham branch at midday heavy enough to require passenger service at all times?
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Post by mcmaddog on Jun 30, 2010 14:46:05 GMT
Why not just run it at 5 in the morning when it's basically daylight and no service to interupt?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2010 17:06:16 GMT
What about in the winter? How often does the TRT have to run?
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Post by harlesden on Jun 30, 2010 17:44:45 GMT
Seriously though, are passenger loadings on the Chesham branch at midday heavy enough to require passenger service at all times? I would have thought a 06:00-09:30 southbournd service and a 16:30-18:30 northbound service would suffice. At other times and on weekends, a bus service would serve adequately to/from the nearest Met station |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2010 20:39:23 GMT
Seriously though, are passenger loadings on the Chesham branch at midday heavy enough to require passenger service at all times? I would have thought a 06:00-09:30 southbournd service and a 16:30-18:30 northbound service would suffice. At other times and on weekends, a bus service would serve adequately to/from the nearest Met station Why not pop along to the next meeting of the Chesham Rail Users Group, you'd go down a storm, I'm sure! One thing I feel people underestimate, is the number of people who live in the Chesham area, who actually drive to Amersham because of the lack of through service from the former. I have little doubt that when all day Cheshams commence, loadings and patronage fom Chesham itself will go up by a fair amount. |
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Post by andypurk on Jun 30, 2010 21:26:47 GMT
Especially as Chesham is actually slightly larger than Amersham, with the housing generally arranged better in relation to the station.
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Post by citysig on Jun 30, 2010 22:11:15 GMT
It has been this particular return trip (1355 ex Chalfont) that gets cancelled each and every time the TRT operates for many years. If I remember correctly, there was research done at one time in the distant past which suggests this is likely to be one of the lightest loaded return trips of the day. Not during a peak. Post-lunchtime "rush." Pre-school tip-out time.
If it could be run as early as possible, there is the potential to inconvenience more people than early afternoon. You then have to get the TRT up there in the first place at that time of the morning.
Come December, a "Chesham" train booked to depart Chalfont at around the same time will be diverted to Amersham.
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