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Post by harlesden on Jun 17, 2010 16:26:23 GMT
In Silverlink days, when a NB Bakerloo and a NB Silverlink arrived simultaneously at Queens Park, the Bakerloo driver would inevitably announce that the Silverlink would be the one going out first.
This implied that Silverlinks somehow had automatic departure priority. If this was the case, does it still apply now that LO have replaced Silverlink?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2010 17:25:40 GMT
Yes, Network Rail own the 'outside' tracks and will give priority to trains already on that line. Bakerloo trains generally have to join the Network Rail tracks at the far end of the north sheds so effectively Queen's Park to Elephant is a branch line which joins the Euston to Watford 'main'.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2010 14:52:37 GMT
Ownership of the tracks plays no part in the priority of trains at Queens Park, contry to popular belief, there is a timetable that is adhered to. The priority of trains is normally by time table order and this is therefore dependent on puntual running by both operators. Where late running occurs, the signaller will regulate services to the benefit of the whole service with no bias to either operator, again contry to popular belief. There are also some Bakerloo services shown to depart Queens Park within one minute of an Overground and be brougt to a stand in the north shed to await clearance of the signal. The precedding Overground having just cleared the next signal would normally allow the Bakerloo to proceed within a minute but will find the next signal at red usually clearing on approach if the Overground has made a prompt restart from Kensal Green. The signalling headway betwwen Queens Park and Stonebridge Park is only three minutes so therefore with the service currently on offer it is fairly tight and a little late running has an impact.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2010 11:32:37 GMT
Or we could consider the reality which is that Bakerloo trains are held in the north sheds because a late running train coming from Euston has just left S Hampstead and they are to be given priority. That's not 'popular belief' but something that happens regularly. Excuses and assurances can't take away from what happens. For some reason LOROL trains have always been given priority despite being smaller and generally quite slow.
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Post by andypurk on Jun 23, 2010 19:52:41 GMT
Or we could consider the reality which is that Bakerloo trains are held in the north sheds because a late running train coming from Euston has just left S Hampstead and they are to be given priority. That's not 'popular belief' but something that happens regularly. Excuses and assurances can't take away from what happens. For some reason LOROL trains have always been given priority despite being smaller and generally quite slow. Whether or not the class 313s are given priority, they are certainly not slower than the 1972 stock. In my experience, both LO and Bakerloo trains get delayed behind the other, when things are not running to plan. |
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Post by Tom on Jun 23, 2010 20:05:16 GMT
That's not 'popular belief' but something that happens regularly. Excuses and assurances can't take away from what happens. For some reason LOROL trains have always been given priority despite being smaller and generally quite slow. Having spent a fair amount of time working in the Bakerloo Line control room and at Queen's Park, I would say that this isn't the case at all. The junction is generally worked in timetable order, and I have seen LOROL services held in the Platform whilst a Bakerloo train runs to the North shed to reverse, despite WS13 being green for a train from the Bakerloo. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2010 6:11:32 GMT
That's not 'popular belief' but something that happens regularly. Excuses and assurances can't take away from what happens. For some reason LOROL trains have always been given priority despite being smaller and generally quite slow. Having spent a fair amount of time working in the Bakerloo Line control room and at Queen's Park, I would say that this isn't the case at all. The junction is generally worked in timetable order, and I have seen LOROL services held in the Platform whilst a Bakerloo train runs to the North shed to reverse, despite WS13 being green for a train from the Bakerloo. Thanks Tom, though the reason for the green at WS13 is more due to the early transmisson of TD's from Baker Street. The lack of good approach track indications certainly does not help. Though since trackernet was put into Willesden Suburban that occurs less now as they have a rough idea of wher trains are given the update delay. |
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