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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2010 12:16:10 GMT
I know things have cooled down quite a bit, but is it policy to have the heating on for A stock whenever the mercury dips below, say, 20C? It wasn't pleasant having my legs warmed when I was in t-shirt sleeves this morning...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2010 16:31:06 GMT
This is a perrenial problem not limited to the Metropolitan line - I've experienced it on most trains, tubes and busses.
For as long as I can remember, I've been utterly baffled by the practise of having the heating ON in summer and OFF in winter.
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Post by t697 on Jun 8, 2010 20:43:53 GMT
This is a perrenial problem not limited to the Metropolitan line - I've experienced it on most trains, tubes and busses. For as long as I can remember, I've been utterly baffled by the practise of having the heating ON in summer and OFF in winter. Most of the Tube's fleets have thermostat heater control, but that doesn't always work reliably. The Met line A stock doesn't have thermostats so if it's cold at say 4 or 5am the first T/Op may put the heaters on and no one remembers to turn them off later. The cab heater is on a separate control. You are right, it can be ridiculously hot on the Met in summer for that reason. It used to be the practice for Fleet to remove the heater fuses in summer to prevent this silliness. Perhaps someone from Neasden depot can tell us whether it's still done?
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Post by citysig on Jun 8, 2010 20:46:28 GMT
Roll on trains that do the switching for you - but I would bet that even then it will always be too cold or too hot for some people.
Generally at this time of year, the heaters are meant to be off. But sometimes those very early morning services can still benefit from the chill being taken off. Sometimes as the sun gets higher, the fact that they are on is overlooked by the train operators - the saloon heating is not linked to the cab heating.
EDIT: t697 beat me to it whilst I moved from the computer mid-typing. I don't know the official reason why the fuse removal ceased, but can bet it's linked somewhere to the extra work hours to remove then replace them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2010 21:22:36 GMT
EDIT: t697 beat me to it whilst I moved from the computer mid-typing. I don't know the official reason why the fuse removal ceased, but can bet it's linked somewhere to the extra work hours to remove then replace them. It was stopped because they forgot to put them back in for the winter and trains were going out due to no heating! ;D ;D
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Post by metman on Jun 8, 2010 21:45:27 GMT
I quite like having the heating on and off at the turn of a switch - and the open windows!
I'm sure a quick word in the t/ops ear would ensure the 'H' was turned off. It's a bit like the destination blind not being reset. Met drivers are a friendly lot, they don't bite! ;D
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Post by citysig on Jun 9, 2010 7:37:35 GMT
I'm sure a quick word in the t/ops ear would ensure the 'H' was turned off. It's a bit like the destination blind not being reset. Met drivers are a friendly lot, they don't bite! ;D Depends where you're sat and whether you're getting them off their train on time ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2010 8:56:03 GMT
Well, yes, I couldn't have done it mid-journey, but happy to report that there was no heating this morning!
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Post by SE13 on Jun 10, 2010 8:28:29 GMT
This is a perrenial problem not limited to the Metropolitan line - I've experienced it on most trains, tubes and busses. For as long as I can remember, I've been utterly baffled by the practise of having the heating ON in summer and OFF in winter. On quite a lot of buses, the heating control is underneath, so the drivers have no control over it other than to put a remark on the defect card and hope the engineers do something about it. Anyone working in the bus industry will know that you stand more chance of finding a gold nugget while banging your head against a brick wall than the engineers taking any notice of what gets written on a defect card.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2010 12:48:13 GMT
On quite a lot of buses, the heating control is underneath, so the drivers have no control over it other than to put a remark on the defect card and hope the engineers do something about it. Anyone working in the bus industry will know that you stand more chance of finding a gold nugget while banging your head against a brick wall than the engineers taking any notice of what gets written on a defect card. I had a bus a few weeks back which was baking hot, but controls were accessible only by an engineer when the bus was on a pit. After numerous passenger complaints I booked the bus defect card, however as the evening wore on the bus became freezing cold and i deleted the defect report. It's an absurd design on such buses but we are stuck with it. Also a few buses are prone to overheating and keeping the heaters on (which take heat via water from the engine) keeps the bus serviceable longer. A quick fix until the problem can be sorted (if they can, in fact, find the source of the problem). On trains the thermostats are apparently prone to jamming in keeping the heaters on. Rather than replace the thermostat, the fuse would be pulled, leaving the train freezing cold early morn and during the evening. D stock were very prone to this. One year they pulled the fuses on the whole fleet (totally unacceptable early or late) and when it came time to put them back one depot had lost all theirs (belived thrown away) and they were scratching round other depots such as Northumberland Park for suitable fuses. none the less some cars remained heaterless all winter. I am told the thermostat was replaced upon refurb (and relocated into the roof void, from by a window (don't forget the window didn't exist as D stock was designed)) but now the temperature setting on it can't be altered, only the unit replaced. They are supposed to be set the same, but clearly are not, it remains notable thet some cars are very much colder (or hotter) than others.
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Post by SE13 on Jun 10, 2010 12:53:18 GMT
Further to the above, some of the buses in the fleet I drove had the taps on the SLF's next to the step, but sealed in so that people didn't burn themselves! Quite how we were supposed to operate them is a mystery!
In the summer, it's bad enough that they are like greenhouses in the first place without blasting warm air out as well.
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