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Post by bringbackcrouchhil on May 26, 2010 22:35:44 GMT
Apparently the district line has infrastructure that dates back to before the war and for most of the line there are not any electronic board.
Compared to the other lines, the district line seems to not have had the same investment as the others... why?
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Post by roythebus on May 27, 2010 10:50:02 GMT
Who wants electronic boards when those wonderful old blue enamel signs with an illuminated arrow work quite well?
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Post by 21146 on May 27, 2010 13:25:11 GMT
What's the point of installing loads of new dot-matrix indicators when the signalling system still only allows (say) 2 minutes' advance warning to be shown? (If at all.) Regular passengers got to know how long a train would take once it appeared on the old boards anyway, so little real improvement even if the new installations look more modern.
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Post by ruislip on May 28, 2010 12:44:45 GMT
At least the D stock got refurbished.
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Post by metman on May 28, 2010 16:20:09 GMT
Most of the Met extension line stations never had boards anyway! We now have dot matrix ones, that only tell the (wrong) time!
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Post by ruislip on May 28, 2010 19:21:33 GMT
Most of the Met extension line stations never had boards anyway! Many stations on the Uxbridge branch on the "up" platform had wooden boards that would read "City, all stations to Harrow-on-the-Hill", "City, all stations to Wembley Park", "Baker Street, all stations to Wembley Park", "Baker Street, all stations to Wembley Park. Change at Rayners Lane for Piccadilly Line", and "Piccadilly Line". There might have been other boards than these.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2010 21:32:44 GMT
What's the point of installing loads of new dot-matrix indicators Possibility of having more announcements (service levels, disruptions, weekend closures) or unusual train destinations or showing more then one train*? * - which does work on many stations for at least two trains
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Post by underground2010 on Oct 5, 2010 3:29:28 GMT
What's the point of installing loads of new dot-matrix indicators when the signalling system still only allows (say) 2 minutes' advance warning to be shown? (If at all.) Regular passengers got to know how long a train would take once it appeared on the old boards anyway, so little real improvement even if the new installations look more modern. I agree with your comment, but I think its mostly about looking more 'modern' and new these days.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2010 6:19:53 GMT
Most of the Met extension line stations never had boards anyway! We now have dot matrix ones, that only tell the (wrong) time! Yes, that's weird. They just say the time and line name. They don't even give any details of the next train when it's in the station. It is just keeping us updated that the line is still called the Metropolitan line in case it suddenly changes. Because after all, we do occasionally hear the announcement, "Ladies and gentleman, there is a minor identity crisis on the Metropolitan line and a good sense of self on all other London Underground lines."
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Post by tubelightonline on Oct 5, 2010 7:29:04 GMT
Speaking of the Met, I've seen a BTH-badged control box attached to one of the aspects at Amersham - BTH ceased to be in 1959, so that's also quite an elderly piece of kit!
(BTH = British Thomson-Houston, of course!)
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Post by den on Oct 5, 2010 13:22:48 GMT
About the met line again. Will they ever show something useful because all the information seems to be available on the TFL website? It seems like a stupid waste of money to install a very wide clock.
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Post by underground2010 on Oct 5, 2010 20:27:07 GMT
At least the D stock got refurbished. A few years before it's planned to be replaced. I think it's quite a waste of money to be honest. I know they are keeping the D stock trains in service longer, due to that reason, but I think they should of been refurbished at the same time as all other stocks, unless their wasn't enough money to pay for the refurbishment. I suppose if the plan to move them abroad after service goes ahead, it won't be so bad.
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Post by Colin on Oct 6, 2010 1:53:54 GMT
I think they should of been refurbished at the same time as all other stocks, unless their wasn't enough money to pay for the refurbishment. And you've answered you're own point without even realising it. The D stock refurbishment was well overdue - it is generally accepted these days that trains are refurbished midway through their life - D stocks are 30 years young, and by the time they go (in around 5 years), they will be 35. In anycase, the D's only had a partial refurb (nothing touched below the sole bar) so it was done relatively cheaply as refurbs go. I suppose if the plan to move them abroad after service goes ahead, it won't be so bad. I seem to remember reading or hearing of such a rumour, but I doubt it's much more than that - we are talking 5 or 6 years away at the moment...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2010 22:40:37 GMT
What it lacks in priority for upgrade, it compensates in priority for service. I was annoyed to sit in a Pic train at Acton Town for more than 5 minutes watching two - count em two - District trains arrive and then depart ahead of us while we wait for our turn to get access to Ealing Common.
If we weren't so English, we'd have a revolution over this kind of thing.
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Post by Chris M on Oct 21, 2010 23:00:55 GMT
Every time I've been waiting for an eastbound District at Acton Town I've seen at least two if not more Piccs go past. Fine if you're going to London but not if you're headed for Chiswick Park
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Post by Ben on Oct 21, 2010 23:36:33 GMT
Not to sure about the refurbishment issue tbh; whereas its assumed now its a half life thing (probably a case where a rough and ready nickname has since been propogated and reapplied on a far more litteral level), theres little point in sticking to that in stone, and possibly its a philosophy against traditional LT thinking. The D stock argueably needed a refresh less than the 1992 tube stock needed and needs, but was a better candidate for it because it was the odd man out being silver and 'old school'. Thus there would be more to gain in terms of corporate image for its refurb. The D stock, for its few failings, is still one of the last products of the old LT tradition. Was it designed with anything more than a vauge nominal life expectancy in mind? Or was it just designed well to last as long as needed. The trouble is that the revolution of a disposable society has affected everything now. I know that, say, the S stock has been designed for a life of 40 years, and the 92 ts had its origins somewhere in a similar timescale (not that I'm comparing the two!!) but the difference is could they do 60 years if circumstances required? I'd wager that the D stock could almost as much as the A stock could. Thus for that reason to rigidly stick to an assumed 30 year life for stock doesnt quite make that much sense, because if the quality of design is that good perhaps its the 'mid life' refurb that could have actually been postponed...
Idle musings however.
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 22, 2010 0:30:16 GMT
If we weren't so English, we'd have a revolution over this kind of thing. <off topic>
And then ask for the monarchy back! ;D
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Post by railtechnician on Oct 22, 2010 3:51:54 GMT
Every time I've been waiting for an eastbound District at Acton Town I've seen at least two if not more Piccs go past. Fine if you're going to London but not if you're headed for Chiswick Park Mmm! But I wouldn't mind betting that you'd still get to Chiswick Park quicker than walking down Bollo Lane!
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