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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2010 21:18:09 GMT
Good Evening Ladies & Gentlemen,
I have a question relating to the kits above to pose to you experts here who have or are in the process of constructing one. I'm currently building a fictional station at the end of a branch. This project is based in four boxfiles and is designed to be cantilevered off of my desk and easily be stored away. Now for LU i need some stock, and was looking at constructing the Resin Double Ended G Class Acton Shuttle as a beginning.
How easy is this kit to put together? I've some experience with Parkside Dundas wagons in 00 Gauge. I've got the tools for those wagons i'm guessing the same tools would serve me well for resin. I'm also looking in he future to construct a Standard Stock DM and CT to work together on the layout - this is obviously dependant on how the Acton Shuttle Unit goes. Can anyone advise me?
Cheers, ~ Gary
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Post by metman on May 26, 2010 21:52:16 GMT
Yes, although I make kits for Radley Models, so I may be biased! ;D Generally, the bodies are resin and the chasis is white metal. The Acton Shuttle is all resin. There will be certain areas to clean off the flash or mold lines. A shape knife is great for this. The thing to watch out for is bent or warped areas. If there is any areas that don't look right you can bend them back into shape by putting them in a sink of warm/hot water and putting a weight on them! You may find this with the chasis. I think you'll be fine, especially if you have previous experience. If you run into troubles send me a PM. I think Glyn has built the Acton Shuttle Kit, so he may also have something to add here. The most important thing is...you must share all the pictures of the layout with us! Good luck.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2010 22:03:08 GMT
Thanks for that, I'm going to order the Acton Shuttle Unit on Friday (payday) so it'll keep my busy for a while afterwards I don't have the current pictures, I have the identical Mk I layout that sadly didn't survive a trip down the stairs in the house - it did decide to go down the stairs in my absence however and without a responsible adult... I make no apologies for the Terrier on my layout, its my set I'll run what I like especially Terriers as their my favourite locomotive. The idea is for a small terminus station and a small P-Way yard / steam shed off scene. The Mk II version will be better braced and the warping of the back of the box isn't seen this time round. Cheers, ~ Gary
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2010 14:44:09 GMT
The Acton Shuttle was the first resin kit that I built from the excellent Radley models range. I went for something a little different however and built it as a Q23 DM! As supplied it has the correct early arrangement of lights/shutters for the G class and the marker lights on the 'rear' end. The air pipes (sorry again Tubeprune, hoses ) are on the inboard position on both ends whereas they should be outboard on one end depending on which of the two Shuttle cars you are building. I did not motorise mine as I decided that, as part of a six-car set of Q stock, I would put the motor bogies in the Harrow Models whitemetal Q38 trailer(!). The kit itself was easy! As supplied it comes with two sets of motor bogie frames whereas the prototype had a K2 trailing bogie one end. This is also available from Phil Radley thanks to the efforts of Metman! Some cleaning up of the resin body was required but not much. There was no problem with warping on either the body or chassis on the kit I built. I used Hornby spoked metal wagon wheels for my car as they are the correct eight-spoke 12mm ones for most LT vehicles. The air connections are moulded and I decided to remove these and replace them with seperate fittings. After making the necessary modifications to enable it to be a Q23 I had a friend paint it and it really looks the part. I have yet to add passengers and a driver along with a couple of posters on the bulkheads but it can be made into a nice model if you put some effort into it. Thankfully, there are plenty of quality pictures available for referance. If I wasn't currently resorting to using the computer in the local library as the home one is knackered I would send you a picture or two.... If you need any more info please do not hesitate to PM me. Good luck. By the way, don't apologise for putting a 'Terrier' on a model. They are superb little engines!
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2010 9:57:46 GMT
Thank you for your reassurance there; I've taken the plunge literally five minutes ago and ordered the Acton Shuttle unit. So we shall see how it goes. If you do get a chance to send any photographs Glyn I'd really like to see them; up close and personal.
I'd better get off looking for photos of the real thing to refer to now; and pinning down where my layout is in the 'fictional world' and what it is going to be called.
Cheers, ~ Gary
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2010 19:03:16 GMT
I know the problem. I wish to run District, Metropolitan and Piccadilly stock but with the odd Central tube train thrown in and SR third rail EMUs. A name is also a problem. The moment I can get the home 'pooter sorted I'll send a couple of pics.
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Post by metman on May 31, 2010 9:10:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2010 9:19:30 GMT
Nice work - Like the T Stock especially
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Post by metman on May 31, 2010 22:29:51 GMT
The T stock trailer is actually a conversion. Radley models don't make a T stock trailer car, you have to use the 7 and 9 compartment dreadnoughts. This is ok, because the driving motor car is one of the six MV 1926/7 cars that ran with converted dreadnoughts. The driving trailer is from the 1929/30 batch built later. My 4 car train consists of the MV motor, T stock trailer, 9 comp dreadnought converted to T stock and the 1929/30 driving trailer.
The conversion was relatively simple. The driving trailer ends were used with the dreadnought sides. As the dreadnought sides taper in, they were filled out and new mouldings formed to make them good.
The roof was also from the DT with a couple of end vents covered up. In time I hope to make a 7 and 9 compartment trailer kit. Watch this space!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2010 0:08:22 GMT
I intend to make a model of ESL118A/B using Radley Models parts as I already have the bodies and will scratch build the cabs. Lots of other units in "The Works" ahead of this project though!
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Post by metman on Jun 1, 2010 6:49:28 GMT
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Post by rogere on Jun 1, 2010 17:14:53 GMT
As an addition to Metman's note, I was at the Aylesbury model railway show last weekend, and I saw there that Bill Bedford is about to produce kits for the Dreadnoughts. These have very fine resin bodies, the rest being etched.
I also understand he is looking at Met Milk vans as well.
Having built his kits before these should be very good - and they will be suitable for OO/EM and P4.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2010 20:42:28 GMT
My kit has arrived in the post today, I've been examining it while dinner was cooking. It seems simple enough to construct (Famous last words eh?) My heart did sink at the sight of the white metal trailing bogie - I've never worked with White Metal before. Any advice with White Metal from the experts? I was thinking of gluing it together as my Soldering Iron isn't to hand at the moment. I'm feeling a trip to model zone for a few essentials... such as glue! ;D Cheers, ~ Gary
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2010 21:01:25 GMT
White metal bogies are are bit of a nightmare as you need to ensure the sides are parallel.
My suggestion would be to cut the sideframes off, find a Bachmann bogie with the same wheel centres, file the sideframe detail off and glue the whitemetal sideframes on.
You then get the best of both worlds, the correct sideframes with a bogie that runs well.
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Post by metman on Jun 2, 2010 21:19:21 GMT
White metal bogies are ok! There is a trick to them however. You need to clean all the flash and mold lines. You will probably get a load of little brass bearings. These fit into small holes in the side frames. Use super glue and push these into the sideframes to a tight fit.
Next get all the parts, top plate, 2 side frames and 2 ends stocks and of course the 2 wheels and using both hands fit them all together to make sure they fit. You may need to bend the sideframes out at the sides so the wheels spin freely. When you're happy the bogie fits together nicely get the superglue out. Best to avoid the gel stuff, and use the liquid type.
Don't use too much as a very thin film with make a strong bond.
If you have any worries, PM me.
Good luck!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2010 21:29:05 GMT
White metal bogies are ok! There is a trick to them however. You need to clean all the flash and mold lines. You will probably get a load of little brass bearings. These fit into small holes in the side frames. Use super glue and push these into the sideframes to a tight fit. Next get all the parts, top plate, 2 side frames and 2 ends stocks and of course the 2 wheels and using both hands fit them all together to make sure they fit. You may need to bend the sideframes out at the sides so the wheels spin freely. When you're happy the bogie fits together nicely get the superglue out. Best to avoid the gel stuff, and use the liquid type. Don't use too much as a very thin film with make a strong bond. If you have any worries, PM me. Good luck! Metman Totally agree with Metman, however if you lack the patience to do it that way my method is a quick and effective alternative however maybe a slight compromise in accuracy Good luck with whichever method you choose. Xerces Fobe
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2010 13:10:44 GMT
What I do is to drill a pilot hole of about 0.6mm in the end of the cross beam and insert a small piece of brass rod so that it protrudes about 2mm. I then carefully mark the location for the rod in the sidframe by holding it the correct place and pressing the two aprts together reasonably firmy. This should leave a small mark on the inside of the sideframe. The difficult bit is to then drill a hole in the sidframe at this point but trying not to drill right through. I usually manage to go throguh but filler is a wonderful thing so it is not the end of the world. I assemble the sides and ends this way and fit the wheels when glueing them together. Only when this assembly has been tested to my satisfaction do I fit the centre casting.
I would love to send some pics of the method but the home 'pooter is still ****ered. Good luck and keep us informed!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2010 10:21:34 GMT
Apologies for going quiet for some time but I have had other commitments notably work to concentrate on recently. I've cleaned up the flash off of the model, not much mostly a thin film over the toplights on the sides and the cab windows. I'm currently on the hunt for some matt black paint for the underframe and bogies. I need a rolling chassis in order to finalise the plan for the layout you see, and the chassis needs to be painted prior to assembly. Just a question however is this the correct way to assemble the white metal bogie - obviously with the wheels for the final run through? ;D Cheers, ~ Green Ranger
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2010 12:27:06 GMT
That looks about right to me. You may wish to enlarge the slight cutout on the centre bolster. There are four little semi-circular cutouts on it to allow the wheels to fit. These are barely enough and may result in the wheels not turning freely as they may rub on the bolster. A little bit of elbow-grease with a file willl enlarge the cutout enough to allow the wheels to fit with clearance room. A similar task may be needed on the end stretchers too.
The axle holes in the sideframes may need a little bit of work to enable the brass 'top-hat' bearings to fit.
The trailing K2 bogie on the Acton Shuttle was at the 'new' cab end (i.e. the end with just the tiny head and tail light as opposed to the end with the five light shutters). The K2 bogies are available from Radley models as a spare. They are referance number RMRES04 and are £7.00. They are a *** to put together as the intended method of having the wheels supported in the centre doesn't seem to work. I've built a few now and I ignore the instructions! I cut the bogies into pieces and re-assembled them with outside brass bearings.
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Post by metman on Sept 5, 2010 18:20:38 GMT
No quite, I was asked to design them with drop in wheels! That's the last kit I'm doing with drop in wheels - promise guys!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2010 20:51:50 GMT
Out of pure interest; which end of the Shuttle is the 'A' end, and which is the 'B/D' end?
I'll definitely take up your advice on some work with a file; once I've test assembled it.
Cheers, ~ Green Ranger
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2010 21:34:22 GMT
The two Acton Shuttles were different. I believe from reading the excellent works of Messrs Hardy and Connor that the two cars (4167 and 4176) were chosen because of the similarity of thier numbers. 4167 was originally an east facing car while 4176 was west facing. Externally, the difference was the position of the external air pipes. District line Q stock cars were 'handed' as with most other stocks. 4167 was a 'D' end car originally and they were have been positioned outboard (nearest to the side of the car) on the end with the original cab and inboard on the other end. On 4176 (an 'A' end car) they were been inboard just outside the centre door on the end with the original cab and outboard the other end. It is a foolproof way of identifying which car is in a photo! On the model the pipes are in the inboard position on both ends so one end will have to be altered anyway. I removed the moulded pipes on my one (now a Q23 DM) and replaced them with seperate ones made from wire. I did the same with the handrails. The cars also retained the brackets under the centre window on the original cab ned for the duty number. 4167 carried '99' while 4176 carried '00'. The 'new' cab did not have this feature or the buffing pads on the front end. Is the model going to be powered? It may be easier to fit the resin bits of the K2 to a motor bogie. I also echo the comments by Metman re. superglue. Use the liquid as the gel is horrible stuff. Strangely, it makes good filler though! Try and avoid superglue altogether when fitting the glazing as it can 'frost' the windows. I know this from bitter experience!
I also have to add that, apart from the 'drop-in wheels' method of construction (which was not his choice), Metman did a superb job on the K2s and the ones that I have built really look the part under my Q stock and the one 'Dreadnought' I have. If I had them on a photo site I'd put a link up.....
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Post by metman on Sept 5, 2010 22:02:37 GMT
Cheque in the post.... ;D
I'd fit the motor bogie to the trailing K2 bogie too. It is probably easier. I also don't like to use superglue either as it does leave a horrible frosted look. For flush glazing, a bit of PVA will do nicely.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2010 22:55:46 GMT
Looking again at the picture of your metal bogie I see you have the rectangular end bolsters positioned with the long side horizontal. It may be better if you place them vertically to give a bit more clearance for the wheels. Just a thought. Good luck and keep us informed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2010 23:01:26 GMT
Yes its going to be a powered model. I've got the resin bogie over the "Spud" motor, and it moves freely up and down my test track. I guess I'll have to persevere with the K2 bogies. I've tested fitted them a couple of times and they seem relatively easy to put together - However nothing ever goes to plan for the final assembly in my experience. I'm not terribly confident about cutting the hoses off of the model, to be honest unless you pointed it out to me I'd never have noticed... which is rather bad to admit for an LU enthusiast. I have already angered some purists I know with my choice of layout location; a mix of District, Metropolitan and Piccadilly stock being able to visit. I might as well continue with inaccurate hoses on my unit - see if they notice at all. Cheers, ~ Green Ranger
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2010 8:58:07 GMT
The hoses are the sort of thing that the purists will notice ( we're they're a funny lot! ). I've seen modellers get sniffy about all sorts of detail on a model locomotive or coach but then still run on OO gauge track. If they're that sniffy, run the things on EM! Seriously, a bit of work with a sharp scalpel will improve the look of the unit no end. If you do take the plunge remember to remove the moulded details slowly and in several goes. On the end that the pipes are staying where they are I left the little 'pip' at the top firstly as a guide for the new pipes and secondly because it serves as a representation of the valve. Don't try and remove the lot in one go as you may well damage the resin. That having been said, resin is easy to fill to repair any damage. Take it from someone who knows........ As for running a layout with MET/District/Piccadilly stock, I'm planning to do just that with a bit of Central and Southern Electric thrown in! One last piece of advice. If you are doing any filing or smoothing of the resin components make sure you do not inhale any of the dust. IT IS LETHAL!
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