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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2010 15:21:52 GMT
Anybody read this book? I just got it and wanted some other opinions on what I will be reading. The first couple of pages were informative to me - an outsider.
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Post by tubeprune on May 25, 2010 10:57:27 GMT
I'd not heard of it until you mentioned it but I've ordered a copy. I don't know the author either. I wonder if it's his real name.
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Post by mrfs42 on May 25, 2010 11:29:23 GMT
r. I wonder if it's his real name. Possibly - the historical Andrew Melville got into quite hot water and was put into the Tower for writing such things as: "Sirrah, ye are God's silly vassal; there are two kings and two kingdoms in Scotland: there is king James, the head of the commonwealth; and there is Christ Jesus, the king of the Church, whose subject James the Sixth is, and of whose kingdom he is not a king, not a lord, not a head, but a member." to King James VI!
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Post by CSLR on May 25, 2010 12:05:22 GMT
Possibly - the historical Andrew Melville got into quite hot water and was put into the Tower for writing such things as: "Sirrah, ye are God's silly vassal; there are two kings and two kingdoms in Scotland: there is king James, the head of the commonwealth; and there is Christ Jesus, the king of the Church, whose subject James the Sixth is, and of whose kingdom he is not a king, not a lord, not a head, but a member." to King James VI! CSLR said:[/color] What incisive phraseology. I wonder what wording he would have used when complaining about overcharging on his Oyster card.
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Post by mrfs42 on May 25, 2010 12:08:26 GMT
He would probably have ascribed it to some form of infernal device. ;D
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Post by tubeprune on Jun 3, 2010 10:56:03 GMT
Well, this book arrived yesterday and I've read most of it. Some of the stories he tells I have heard or read before with variations on the same theme. Some are incidents I was already aware of and some are new to me. Whatever one might think of the general stance of the book, it's so badly edited that it tends to colour one's view of the contents.
Many points he makes are valid and it does give a good idea of the LU culture at various levels but the whole book is so one-sided that it reduces its value. It's a shame he couldn't have mentioned some of the things which have improved. Some positive ideas of his own on improvements would have helped too.
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Post by DWS on Jun 3, 2010 12:38:39 GMT
More details of the book can be found on the web site of Markle Associates, the book is mentioned in the June issue of "Underground News"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2010 17:32:45 GMT
I read the Markle site details - they just repeated what was on the cover page for the book. Still reading. I agree it doesn't seem to have been edited very well if at all - plus no copyright date!
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Post by DWS on Jun 4, 2010 21:35:32 GMT
I read the Markle site details - they just repeated what was on the cover page for the book. Still reading. I agree it doesn't seem to have been edited very well if at all - plus no copyright date! When you have finished reading can you give us on the other side of the pond, your view on this book ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2010 16:36:34 GMT
I will, as asked, give my review of the book when done.
However, this is the only book that I have come across that gives this middle management view of things. So I really have nothing to compare it to being so remote from the "action".
But, also, having been it the business world for so many years, I am not naive about opinion vs. fact.
So - more later...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2010 18:38:49 GMT
Well, I finished reading the book several days ago. As asked, my "book review".
I will say, the book needed a small bit of editing - some typos, etc.
I really enjoyed reading it. At the beginning, I learned quite a bit of daily workings trivia someone like myself (from the USA) did not know even though I have lots of books about the LU from all perspectives.
As it moved along, there was a lot of explanations as to why things were and are not working correctly due to mis-management. And some hits on the unions. But - it does appear the reason for the book is to point out problems - so this was expected.
I have been in unions (among others I was a member of the Glass Bottle Blowers Association - GBBA - [now the GMPI] - thought I was involved with injection molded plastic bottles) and now I am considered a "manager" though really only a technical computer nerd without subordinates. I believe this was a ploy back in the late 1970s to keep computer programmers from striking - at least in the USA.
As I mentioned in a previous post, I have been in the business world for 40 years. And believe me, many of the situations mentioned from a managerial aspect I have lived through in my industries. Espcecially changing management strategies, slogans as solutions, etc.
Some of the things that were mentioned, say, about lots of SPADs being considered "normal" would make me fearful of riding - if that were really so. I can't say if that is really so, obviously.
I, too, have worked for many bosses with many styles, and some were great and some were awful. Lots in between. But I bet we could all say that.
I recommend reading the book if you want to get one man's career-long look at his job from his perspective on looking back after retiring. And just not take it as the plain black-and-white gospel truth - which I don't think the author intended anyway.
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Post by DWS on Jun 20, 2010 20:20:05 GMT
Thanks for you take on this book
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Post by 21146 on Jun 20, 2010 20:29:30 GMT
Does anyone actually know of this "Andrew Melville" or is it a psydonym? I've sent off for a copy so will be interested in reading between the lines, so to speak.
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Post by tubeprune on Jun 20, 2010 21:10:45 GMT
It's not his real name. I have been told his name but, as far as I know, I never met him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2010 13:47:47 GMT
I was thinking, after reading the book, that it had to be a nom de plume.
I don't think the author was looking for notoriety for himself.
That way one could read the book and make one's own judgements about the situations mentioned without personalizing them.
Too many times, some will say something like, "Well, that's ol' Andrew for you - what did you expect outta that pillock."
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