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Post by metman on May 21, 2010 16:03:58 GMT
This could quite easily go in the rant section! I notice a new t/t starts this Sunday (the 23rd). I was disapointed to see the problem of spacing on the PM peak on the Watford service has still not be resolved. Because there is only a 6 min gap between trains from Aldgate and starters from Baker Street. The trains from the city often a 'few' minutes late causing the service to bunch. When will this be resolved?  On a different note, what's going on with the fast Amersham-Baker Street service? My fast train to London arrived at Harrow from Moor Park waited for quite a few minutes. The Aldgate train was still in plat 5 but quickly left, and the train from Watford then arrived and left before we did. We caught it at Preston Road, delaying because of the signalling in the Wembley Park area! Why was the Fast Baker Street train not allowed to leave earlier, overtake the Aldgate service* and then give our driver more than 4 mins to change ends at Baker Street!  *probably because the previous Amersham service would still be in Baker Street and we would hold up the Aldgate service?  |
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Post by citysig on May 22, 2010 12:23:11 GMT
This could quite easily go in the rant section! I notice a new t/t starts this Sunday (the 23rd). I was disapointed to see the problem of spacing on the PM peak on the Watford service has still not be resolved. Because there is only a 6 min gap between trains from Aldgate and starters from Baker Street. The trains from the city often a 'few' minutes late causing the service to bunch. When will this be resolved? The new timetable is mostly to enable S-stock training paths to be included - as far as the general public are concerned the timetable more or less remains the same. Larger changes will occur over the next 2 timetable changes, with the next change in December seeing the introduction of the through Chesham service. The problems you mention regarding bunching has actually become much less of a problem since the introduction of the new timetables last December. If there is a service delay, then it still can occur, but on the whole the service now runs more to time through the evening peak out of the city. On a different note, what's going on with the fast Amersham-Baker Street service? My fast train to London arrived at Harrow from Moor Park waited for quite a few minutes. The Aldgate train was still in plat 5 but quickly left, and the train from Watford then arrived and left before we did. We caught it at Preston Road, delaying because of the signalling in the Wembley Park area! Why was the Fast Baker Street train not allowed to leave earlier, overtake the Aldgate service* and then give our driver more than 4 mins to change ends at Baker Street! *probably because the previous Amersham service would still be in Baker Street and we would hold up the Aldgate service? Could be several things, but 2 spring to mind straight away. The train may well have been "early" or had a stand time booked in the platform or the train may have been awaiting a crew relief. If the train was booked to leave Harrow at a specific time, then unless required to fill a gap it will be held to time - this prevents the problem of no platform at Baker Street that you mention. The Wembley Park signalling problem is a separate issue, which can sometimes affect the way trains (especially fast trains) get through the area. If there is a delay on platform 5, then this will obviously affect both lines. Of course your train may also have had recovery / pathing allowance at Wembley (although unlikely if time had at Harrow). Would be interesting to know which train number / what day this was and find out how late the train actually arrived at Baker Street. |
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Post by ruislip on May 22, 2010 14:37:05 GMT
Off-peak, do fasts ex-Amersham still arrive at HOTH at the same time a local ex-Uxbridge arrives?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2010 14:55:21 GMT
Off-peak, do fasts ex-Amersham still arrive at HOTH at the same time a local ex-Uxbridge arrives? wasn't aware they did? Thought SB Amershams arrived HOH between an Uxbridge and a Watford? |
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Post by metman on May 22, 2010 15:30:43 GMT
If I'm right, the ex-Amershams arrive at HOTH at XX02 XX12 XX32 XX42
The ex-Watfords XX05 XX15 XX25 XX35 XX45 XX55
and ex-Uxbridges XX00 XX10 XX20 XX30 XX40 XX50
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 22, 2010 18:01:30 GMT
If I'm right, the ex-Amershams arrive at HOTH at XX02 XX12 XX32 XX42 The ex-Watfords XX05 XX15 XX25 XX35 XX45 XX55 and ex-Uxbridges XX00 XX10 XX20 XX30 XX40 XX50 New WTT says: depart at: ex-Amersham xxe05, xxe15, xxe25, xxe35, xxe45, xxe55 ex-Watford xx04½, xx14½, xx24½, xx34½, xx44½, xx54½ ex-Uxbridge xxa09½, xxa19½, xxa29½, xxa39½, xxa49½, xxa59½ a= arrives ½ min earlier e= arrives 2½ mins earlier |
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Post by metrider on May 22, 2010 20:08:43 GMT
... On a different note, what's going on with the fast Amersham-Baker Street service? My fast train to London arrived at Harrow from Moor Park waited for quite a few minutes. The Aldgate train was still in plat 5 but quickly left, and the train from Watford then arrived and left before we did. We caught it at Preston Road, delaying because of the signalling in the Wembley Park area! Why was the Fast Baker Street train not allowed to leave earlier, overtake the Aldgate service* and then give our driver more than 4 mins to change ends at Baker Street! ... Funny - I have the opposite problem - I work close to HOTH and often get to the platform just as the 1735 fast Baker St is departing. I'd catch it if it was held to its time. Frequently it seems to be signalled out with the slow Aldgate opposite, slightly ahead of its time. |
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Post by metman on May 23, 2010 0:38:05 GMT
If I'm right, the ex-Amershams arrive at HOTH at XX02 XX12 XX32 XX42 The ex-Watfords XX05 XX15 XX25 XX35 XX45 XX55 and ex-Uxbridges XX00 XX10 XX20 XX30 XX40 XX50 New WTT says: depart ex-Amersham xxe05, xxe15, xxe25, xxe35, xxe45, xxe55 ex-Watford xx04, xx14, xx24, xx34, xx44, xx54 ex-Uxbridge xxa09, xxa19, xxa29, xxa39, xxa49, xxa59 a= arrives 1/2min earlier e= arrives 2 1/2mins earlier That must mean the fast service will wait till the Baker St local service from Watford arrives - let that leave and then overtake it at Preston Rd!! Not sure I like that...... |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2010 8:33:44 GMT
Can anyone explain why the majority/all of the Amersham-Baker Street trains have been routed down the slow lines recently (still running fast, but on the slow lines) between Moor Park and Harrow?
I presume it's something to do with North Harrow Junction playing up again but I'm curious.
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Post by metman on May 23, 2010 8:52:03 GMT
Sometimes it is due to the heat. There was a thread last year about this......
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2010 21:35:47 GMT
Sometimes it is due to the heat. There was a thread last year about this...... Indeed it is. Harrow North junction usually fails when we have high rail temperatures (so much of being a world class railway) so all Southbounds go via the local line from Ricky and all Northbounds go through P1 at Harrow. Wrong type of heat and sunshine I'm afraid! ;D |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2010 8:50:06 GMT
Indeed it is. Harrow North junction usually fails when we have high rail temperatures (so much of being a world class railway) so all Southbounds go via the local line from Ricky and all Northbounds go through P1 at Harrow. Wrong type of heat and sunshine I'm afraid! ;D Platform 1 providing 200 moveable angles perform as required or fast running both ways on the locals, thank god for Watford South Junction. EDIT: Almost forgot to mention that Wembley Park Sidings have at last regained booked stabling overnight with 3 trains presented for traffic each morning. |
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