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Post by Ben on May 9, 2010 19:20:43 GMT
Ok so I upgraded my graphics card to an ATI radeon HD 5770. Its a wapper of a card and I really shouldnt have spent that much money. But, my weakness is Trainz. I wanted it good! Anyway, much to my consternation I couldnt get trainz to work with it, keeped crashing. Trains 06 destroyed my IOW layout, which I must have put the best part of 6 months into and was working fantastically. So that Peed me off no end. MRFS, thanks for the help with the signalling, but now the whole project is ballesd up and im furious with Trainz. So I put the old graphics card back in, uninstalled it all properly, and now trains 09 wont run properly either. Keeps crashinf, same as 06. I'm running XP 64 bit, which I recon is the problem but I cant prove it as I only have this one computer that takes pci-e cards, and my hdd is mirrored, so I'll need to get a third to save my data onto. I'm crushed, you wouldnt believe how sore I feel about it all. Does anyone have any suggestions atall?? I want to go to windows 7 yet dont wan to format my HDDs; installing everything would take about 4 days solid. Any suggestions please, The bottle of Tanequey export is looking more and more tempting...  |
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Post by Ben on May 9, 2010 20:12:52 GMT
Can I just add to this, there is a very loud buzzing noise when I change points, which only goes away when I move away from the area. Also the semaphore signals (GWR style) don't seem to like it. And every once in a while it says my database is corrupted and needs to be repaired, que waiting half hour for nothing happening. Why is it so buggy? It wasnt that bad atall before. I'd go as far to say as I'm upset at this all. All I want to do is play trains  |
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Post by mrfs42 on May 9, 2010 21:57:55 GMT
I'd go for the Tanqueray - couple of slices of cucumber and a splash of tonic!
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Post by Ben on May 10, 2010 7:09:35 GMT
Turned out to be gordons, and its now empty. It was a highly productive evening *-/
However, I've built the whole circle line according mostly to Harsigs '56 plans. Minus diamond crossings so it could be fully interlocked. By my recogning its time for Supper/Breakfast though, so if any of the Trainz fans on here have any similar gripes or ideas or suggestions, please please write them here, cos I'm haveing no joy even googling the issues! ://
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2010 14:33:54 GMT
I am assuming you did not backup anything ahead of time. Losing 6 months or more of hard work would make me have a drink or two myself. Developing a preference now to Tanqueray Rangpur. The best I can offer is sympathy and prayers  |
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Post by mrfs42 on May 11, 2010 20:52:12 GMT
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That's mean - tempting us with a brand of gin that isn't available over here!
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Post by rincew1nd on May 12, 2010 19:46:28 GMT
Also the semaphore signals (GWR style) don't seem to like it. Well what do you expect with floppy arms? You need something that stands to attention on demand, rather than going all limp.  |
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Post by Ben on May 12, 2010 21:22:31 GMT
Hahahaha! How very true indeed! My severely dark sense of humour is trying to construct a joke connecting the double entendré and the forum rule about 13 year old girls. However; its proving a quite a bit harder than I thought...  Anyway lol! I've finally got trainz 09 working on my old graphics card, which was a Quadro 3400. Reliable and fairly nippy, however I'm annoyed that I blew all that money on something I still cant get to work atall. I'm fairly convinced its time to upgrade to windows 7, cos I'm on XP64 atm, but despite the new graphics card supporting it it just doesnt seem that the system likes it back. Tony, you're spot on about backing up; its a habbit I need to get into. The thing is it hasnt fully been deleted or anything, its just when I load the route now in surveyor all that loads is the track and terrain. No trains, buildings, trackside objects (inc. switch levers), platforms, schedules, in fact pretty much all the things that take the longest to do with Trainz. And it also now runs at the blinding speed of about 2fps in surveyor mode (and about 0.1 in driver mode) so I've given up on it. I dont understand what could have caused that, but there you go. Some you win, some you loose. And some were born to swig the booze... (Hows that for misquoting a song btw? XD ) |
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Post by Ben on Dec 7, 2010 13:47:45 GMT
Sorry to bump this again, but I've spent the past fortnight finally upgrading to win7 64bit. The majority of what I can say about the experience belongs to another thread (two quick points though; aero is rubbish and how much have they ruined mspaint?!). However I bought another couple of HDDs to move my data onto so have started from scratch. Installed the latest drivers for the 5770, then installed trainz 06 again. Made a little layout, saved it, ran it, exited it and loaded again. Exactly the same thing as reported in my last thread happened, with the partial deletion. And the game refuses to run any faster than before. On the general subject of graphics cards, does anyone know if the radeon 5770 is actually any better than a quadro 3400? When I did the research last year I came to the sound conclusion it was, but some reassurance from someone whos more into gaming than I would be much appreciated. So I'm stuck, I haven't a clue what could be wrong. And I can't find anyone else on the net with a similar problem. Any thoughs?? :/ (This time its a couple of litrés of Stones, btw, what with the festivities-n-all) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2010 14:53:47 GMT
The Quadro FX 3400 has an NV45GL core, which is the same as used in the GeForce 6800.
The Radeon HD 5770 is a bloody fast card and roughly equivalent to an GeForce GTS 450.
Which is a whole 5 generations newer than the 6800.
The peak pixel and texture fill rate for a 6800 ultra (effectively the same thing as a quadro FX 3400, they just change the BIOS) is 6.4 gigapixel/s and 6.4 gigatexel/s.
That of a Radeon 5770 is 13.6 gigapixel/s and 34 gigatexel/s. A very large improvement - also bearing in mind the 5770 is not the current top of the range, a mid-range card, whereas the 6800 ultra was the top of the top of the top in it's time.
So yes, the 5770 is faster. Almost all current graphics cards should beat out that Quadro.
It sounds like Trainz is having a major disagreement with Catalyst. Either ATI have messed something up in their drivers (quite likely, knowing how poor Catalyst has been at points) or Trainz uses some sort of coding that asks for something that Catalyst does not at all agree with.
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Post by Ben on Dec 7, 2010 15:46:16 GMT
Thanks for the reply Charlie. I'm totally stumped then. Must say though, the Quadro's bus width is twice that of the Radeon (256 vs 128); its a solid runner. I was just expecting way more from the 5770, which seems to be slower for almost all games I play. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2010 15:57:52 GMT
The memory bus width is rather narrow on the 5770 but being GDDR5 over GDDR3 seems a major improvement in overall bandwidth.
Is your power supply dying? Though, the FX uses 101W peak and the Radeon 108W peak.
Floating-point power is 1360 GFLOPS on the 5770, and 53 GFLOPS for a 6800 ultra, which uses the same chip although is probably a little faster.
With the introduction of DirectX 10, card power shot up considerably.
The 7800 GTX was 165 GFLOPS, then the 8800 Ultra was 576 GFLOPS. GTX 280 at 933 GFLOPS and a whopping 2720 GFLOPS from the ATI Radeon HD 5870.
DirectX 11, as shown by the 5870, equals a MASSIVE jump yet again in power. The games should be faster, if they aren't, something isn't right.
Is there sufficient airflow to the 5770 to keep it's temperature down?
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