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Post by ikar on Aug 12, 2005 20:14:56 GMT
I am working on network simulator of LU in BAHN
Can I someware get track diagrams and train timetables
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Post by Colin on Aug 13, 2005 1:02:49 GMT
There's information available on the net and elsewhere, ie books, etc.
You won't get any current timetables, as these are internal documents and any member of staff found releasing such information is subject to disciplinary proceedings!!!
On the subject of track diagrams, the likes of Harsig may be able to help - but, because of recent events, you may not get all the information you're looking for.
You could start by using the links on Dave's main website.
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Post by Chris M on Aug 13, 2005 5:44:31 GMT
There's information available on the net and elsewhere, ie books, etc. You won't get any current timetables, as these are internal documents and any member of staff found releasing such information is subject to disciplinary proceedings!!! Although to a certain extent you can work them out from the Journey Planner - you need a lot of patience though. Is there a reason the timetables are so tightly controlled? Chris |
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Post by Colin on Aug 13, 2005 11:24:59 GMT
Is there a reason the timetables are so tightly controlled? Chris Yes, safety and security. Also the fact that printed on the front is 'Private - for staff use only'. |
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Post by banana on Aug 13, 2005 11:34:55 GMT
Is there a reason the timetables are so tightly controlled? Chris Yes, safety and security. YEP. it's certainly safe and secure not to let the passengers know when the trains are coming. Fantastic logic. |
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Post by ikar on Aug 13, 2005 15:54:43 GMT
yeah I successfully got 1/2 of W&C line from the Journey planner ;D what's so dangerous about the timetables  maybe timetables are a weapon of mas destruction  |
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Post by q8 on Aug 13, 2005 18:21:17 GMT
You cab buy track maps of LU on the internet lad. I forget the name of the company though.
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Post by piccadillypilot on Aug 13, 2005 18:34:25 GMT
YEP. it's certainly safe and secure not to let the passengers know when the trains are coming. Fantastic logic. These are the working timetables that contain information that staff need but passengers don't. With regard to passenger timetables, with a train every few minutes (except on the outer reaches of the Met perhaps) is a passenger timetable really necessary or will it simply add to the litter problem? |
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Post by piccadillypilot on Aug 13, 2005 18:35:53 GMT
You cab buy track maps of LU on the internet lad. I forget the name of the company though. Are you thinking of the Quail maps? They are only diagrams though rather than geographically correct maps. |
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Post by banana on Aug 13, 2005 18:55:05 GMT
YEP. it's certainly safe and secure not to let the passengers know when the trains are coming. Fantastic logic. These are the working timetables that contain information that staff need but passengers don't. With regard to passenger timetables, with a train every few minutes (except on the outer reaches of the Met perhaps) is a passenger timetable really necessary or will it simply add to the litter problem? I agree. However you say "is it really necessary" not. "Safety and security" which is, I', sure you agree, simply ball hooks!  |
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Post by q8 on Aug 13, 2005 19:12:41 GMT
Well they used to have simple poster timetables on station walls in the form of a list. These gave the hour, minutes past and destination of each train for the individual days in question. I.E. M-F Sat and Sun. Very handy they were too.
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Post by q8 on Aug 13, 2005 19:13:20 GMT
You cab buy track maps of LU on the internet lad. I forget the name of the company though. Are you thinking of the Quail maps? They are only diagrams though rather than geographically correct maps. ======================================== Yep thems the ones. |
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Post by solidbond on Aug 13, 2005 20:56:29 GMT
These are the working timetables that contain information that staff need but passengers don't. With regard to passenger timetables, with a train every few minutes (except on the outer reaches of the Met perhaps) is a passenger timetable really necessary or will it simply add to the litter problem? I agree. However you say "is it really necessary" not. "Safety and security" which is, I', sure you agree, simply ball hooks! I disagree - since Working Timetables show which individual trains start from each depot or sidings, and then where said train will be at any given time of the day, it would, theoretically, be possible for a terrorist to plant a device on a train in a depot or siding, and set it to detonate when that train was at any given point. Taking that into consideration, would YOU want terrorists to have free access to that kind of information? |
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Post by Colin on Aug 14, 2005 0:45:12 GMT
I disagree - since Working Timetables show which individual trains start from each depot or sidings, and then where said train will be at any given time of the day, it would, theoretically, be possible for a terrorist to plant a device on a train in a depot or siding, and set it to detonate when that train was at any given point. Taking that into consideration, would YOU want terrorists to have free access to that kind of information? Exactly. I would have thought that this didn't need an explanation given the current climate. |
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Post by banana on Aug 14, 2005 4:21:30 GMT
I agree. However you say "is it really necessary" not. "Safety and security" which is, I', sure you agree, simply ball hooks! I disagree - since Working Timetables show which individual trains start from each depot or sidings, and then where said train will be at any given time of the day, it would, theoretically, be possible for a terrorist to plant a device on a train in a depot or siding, and set it to detonate when that train was at any given point. Taking that into consideration, would YOU want terrorists to have free access to that kind of information? If they want to do that they can by observation. |
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Post by ikar on Aug 14, 2005 7:21:48 GMT
I agree. However you say "is it really necessary" not. "Safety and security" which is, I', sure you agree, simply ball hooks! I disagree - since Working Timetables show which individual trains start from each depot or sidings, and then where said train will be at any given time of the day, it would, theoretically, be possible for a terrorist to plant a device on a train in a depot or siding, and set it to detonate when that train was at any given point. Taking that into consideration, would YOU want terrorists to have free access to that kind of information? Yeah a 13 year old terrorist who lives in Southern Europe  In one Croatian town (Osijek) Working timetables are published and they show when the (bus,tram) leaves depot, departure times, changing drivers times, and off course arriving to the Depot. If a Shift is a shorter (2.5-4 h) Then under the timetables is written Driver of the early TT1 is doing the late shift on TT4. Of to extracting TT's from journey planner. Are odd journeys on the journey planner? (EAL-HSK) |
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Post by citysig on Aug 14, 2005 13:28:56 GMT
The obvious safety and security issues aside, if everyone had access to our WTTs, then you can imagine that complaints from the more "too much time on their hands, pathetic time-wasting individuals" will soar.
"Why was my Amersham train formed by train xx when in fact it should have been train xx and should have left at xx.xx instead of the time you are telling me it should leave...." etc. etc.
Besides, every industry has a background of data which is not for public consumption. It's not secrets they're keeping from you (except maybe those who work in KFC management or those who get the sugar to stick to Frosties). But sometimes there are some things you really don't need to know in order to complete your journey.
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Post by banana on Aug 14, 2005 14:28:28 GMT
The time trains leave stations, particularly on Sundays, particularly on branches, would, I feel, be useful.
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Post by Colin on Aug 14, 2005 16:16:54 GMT
Getting back to the original question - wasn't this information required for a simulation? Therefore what is wrong with an old timetable?
As far as times being posted for unfrequent services - they are! Take a look at any underground station entrance or platform, there you will find posters with all the information required at the time of day you happen to be there.
Infact, at Olympia, Earls Court and Hight St Ken you will find the times listed for the entire Olympia service.
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Post by Christopher J on Aug 14, 2005 16:41:19 GMT
Getting back to the original question - wasn't this information required for a simulation? Therefore what is wrong with an old timetable? Or even better, make a fictonal timetable, it would be much more easier to create in a Sim than a real timetable and you can let your mind run wild with ideas. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2005 16:58:56 GMT
Getting back to the original question - wasn't this information required for a simulation? Therefore what is wrong with an old timetable? Or even better, make a fictonal timetable, it would be much more easier to create in a Sim than a real timetable and you can let your mind run wild with ideas. Chris you have a PM |
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Post by ikar on Aug 15, 2005 8:16:40 GMT
Where can I found old WTT's
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Post by Colin on Aug 15, 2005 13:31:37 GMT
ikar - you have a PM
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Post by banana on Aug 16, 2005 7:38:11 GMT
It's be useful to know when Piccadilly line trains enter service at Northfields rather than bring cars full of suitcases from Heathrow |
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Post by banana on Aug 17, 2005 9:30:11 GMT
Can someone tell me the ex-depot trains from Northfields between 7 and 8 am please.
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Post by piccadillypilot on Aug 17, 2005 11:30:51 GMT
Can someone tell me the ex-depot trains from Northfields between 7 and 8 am please. Yes, they're all 1973 tube stock. |
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Post by banana on Aug 17, 2005 11:40:14 GMT
Can someone tell me the ex-depot trains from Northfields between 7 and 8 am please. Yes, they're all 1973 tube stock. Many thanks, I've noticed their empty too - but you missed out that vital piece of information  |
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Post by Chris M on Aug 17, 2005 16:46:15 GMT
1. Go to the tfl journey planner
2. enter a journey from Boston Manor to South Ealing
3. Note down the arrival time at South Ealing of all the trains between 7 and 8 am
4. change the journey to Northfields to South Ealing.
5. Note down the arrival time at South Ealing of all the trains between 7 and 8 am
6. compare the lists, any on fhe second list not on the first list started at Northfields.
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Post by banana on Aug 17, 2005 17:23:47 GMT
1. Go to the tfl journey planner 2. enter a journey from Boston Manor to South Ealing 3. Note down the arrival time at South Ealing of all the trains between 7 and 8 am 4. change the journey to Northfields to South Ealing. 5. Note down the arrival time at South Ealing of all the trains between 7 and 8 am 6. compare the lists, any on fhe second list not on the first list started at Northfields. Genius!!!! 06:56 am 07:05 am is the answer On another subject - is the service so regulated at Northfields because trains are (virtually) always early or is it to keep a constant service interval regardless of the timetable? |
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Post by ikar on Aug 17, 2005 19:19:28 GMT
This tread became a "When does a trains depart for Nortfields depot depart toward the City"
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