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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2010 9:36:26 GMT
In the most excellent 'Steam to Silver' there is mention of the fact that Metropolitan Railway 'Dreadnought' coaches were 'handed' with a power bus line only on one side of the coaches. Does this mean that the numbers were the usual with even numbers facing west (or north) and odd ones facing east (or south)? Also, there is mention that a small number of brake vehicles had a bus line on both sides. Does anyone know the numbers of the vehicles so fitted? I am in the long process of building a set of these distinctive vehicles and I want to get it right should they ever appear in public. Thanks in advance.
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Post by tubeprune on Apr 5, 2010 11:03:11 GMT
The Met. Rly. didn't use the numbering to denote the direction a car faced. I think the busline connections were listed in the Met Rly diagram book but I don't have a copy any more. Someone might.....
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Post by metman on Apr 8, 2010 18:16:47 GMT
This also includes the T stock I guess too?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2010 11:29:12 GMT
I'd only just signed on and looked at this. You are entirely correct Dreadnoughts appear to be 'handed' I've skimmed through the Metropolitan Railway Rolling Stock book - although there is no mention in the text three photographs show the bus line.
It appears that if a train were leaving Baker Street Northwards towards Harrow, the Bus Line would have been on the left-hand side facing the direction of travel. This is supported by another photograph on this side of the train and one taken of the opposite side much later on.
I hope that helps the book ISBN is: 1-874103-66-6
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2010 14:23:54 GMT
Thanks for that. After much badgering from certain individuals on this forum I purchased the Met book a few weeks ago. I have already put the bus line jumper cable and housing on one end of my OO scale MET electric loco but I know that, if I pick numbers from random for the 'Dreadnoughts', I will get it wrong.
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Post by metman on May 14, 2010 17:55:16 GMT
What about the T stock?
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Post by Ben on May 14, 2010 20:12:12 GMT
Thats a good question. Wasnt at one time the service London - Rickmansworth - Watford - London and vice-versa? Must have been a perpetual headache with all of its stock (if this includes the T's) being handed.
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Post by tubeprune on May 14, 2010 20:57:13 GMT
I'd only just signed on and looked at this. You are entirely correct Dreadnoughts appear to be 'handed' I've skimmed through the Metropolitan Railway Rolling Stock book - although there is no mention in the text three photographs show the bus line. It appears that if a train were leaving Baker Street Northwards towards Harrow, the Bus Line would have been on the left-hand side facing the direction of travel. This is supported by another photograph on this side of the train and one taken of the opposite side much later on. The Met Rly book I was referring to was the 1931 Stock book produced by the drawing office at Neasden. I can now confirm that the busline connection was on the down side of all coaches numbered 419 to 459. |
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Post by johnb2 on May 15, 2010 19:47:57 GMT
<< Thats a good question. Wasnt at one time the service London - Rickmansworth - Watford - London and vice-versa? Must have been a perpetual headache with all of its stock (if this includes the T's) being handed. >>
Indeed there was such a service. As a kid (which would be early 1950s) I certainly travelled on such a T stock service from Pinner (earlyish, probably 09:00 or so) on Sunday mornings, when my father would take my sister and I to Cassiobury Park in Watford. The train would arrive showing both headboards (Rickmansworth and Watford) with the Ricky headboard above the Watford board. We travelled via Ricky where there would be a pause of some minutes before we reversed to Watford.
I do not recall the return trip Watford-Pinner (around lunchtime/early afternoon) being via Rickmansworth. I *think* that it was a direct service, but after 55+ years that is only my recollection.
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Post by mrfs42 on May 16, 2010 1:06:18 GMT
<< Thats a good question. Wasnt at one time the service London - Rickmansworth - Watford - London and vice-versa? Must have been a perpetual headache with all of its stock (if this includes the T's) being handed. >> Indeed there was such a service. As a kid (which would be early 1950s) I certainly travelled on such a T stock service from Pinner (earlyish, probably 09:00 or so) on Sunday mornings There were quite a lot of workings via the North Curve on a Sunday; can't remember off the top of my head exactly when they stopped, I've got loads of examples in the library. In fact I shall possibly use one of those WTTs as bedtime reading material. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2010 5:07:26 GMT
I believe the north curve workings were withdrawn from WTT No.182 from 4/1/60.
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Post by mrfs42 on May 16, 2010 7:36:02 GMT
I believe the north curve workings were withdrawn from WTT No.182 from 4/1/60. Indeedy - now AI's awake I can look back through that part of the library without disturbing her - and the NC column notes together with the headers/footers WmP./Bk to Wf. via Rk. or Wf. to Bk. via Rk. were last used in WTT 178 15/6/59. When I can find AIs notes on converting an Excel document into a Forum Table, I'll type up the master three letter TD list, as the last WTT has some curious workings that aren't quite covered in the lists here. |
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Post by tubeprune on May 17, 2010 6:25:14 GMT
Thats a good question. Wasnt at one time the service London - Rickmansworth - Watford - London and vice-versa? Must have been a perpetual headache with all of its stock (if this includes the T's) being handed. Whenever possible, trains were kept in block sets, so turning wasn't a serious problem. Electric stock (the Vickers) built from 1929 had jumpers on both sides but the coaches converted from steam had them on the down side only. If they got into trouble with a coach being round the wrong way, there was turntable at Neasden for just such. Motor coaches all had jumpers on both sides at the trailing end so they could be turned, and were. Because they had different types of traction control on various stocks, they went for a standard 10-core jumper which could be used with BW (or Met Vickers) control. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2010 14:38:24 GMT
Superb! Thanks as always.
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Post by metman on May 17, 2010 18:21:58 GMT
Great so I can paint over the 'A' and 'D' markers on my T stock solebars!
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