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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2010 14:03:07 GMT
And everything was going so well.
Off to the big match at The Emirates.Check on Tfl website everything hunky dory and get the 18.11(on time to the mainute) from Pinner to Aldgate.
Just after departing told over intercom it's only going to Baker St.Oh well never mind I'll get the Circle or H&C to Kings Cross then the Vic to H&Islington.Arrive at Harrow- on- Hill and told the train is stopping there-all out.Reason signal failure at, I think ,Aldgate.Wait for next train which is going to Baker St.Get out there.Couldn't get to KIngs X-no Circle no H&C.Dash back down the Bakerloo/Oxford Circus then the Vic.Actually arrive in good time for kick off.Good job I know my way around as the lack of PA on such a big night was very evident.
At the end of the game,sprint down Holloway Road and board a Vic. train at around 10.05,then Circle to Baker St and immediate Watford ready to go.Hooray.
Then half way to Finchley Rd,train stops and lights go out.
An ''incident'',then a possible person under a train,then we waited for nearly an hour-an attempted suicide and waiting for police clearance.Now for the positives-the driver kept us informed at regular intervals,walked through the carriages to check everybody was OK and advised us of a carriage where there was a mobile phone signal to call home etc etc.This apparently was near the old abandoned Swiss Cottage station.Eventually we limped along and arrived at Pinner around 23.45.
Blimy what a night.Left home at 18.00 and 6 hours later get home for 90 mins of footie.(no sarcastic comments please!!)
I realise that the homebound incident could not be down to LUL but why do these things always seem happen together??
It's a conspiracy I'm sure.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2010 14:29:16 GMT
You were obviously stuck on 452, which was the only train stuck in the section ;D
The "incident" on the train ahead was that the T/Op had hit someone on the platform. When he went to see how the person was, neither he or the Supervisor could find the person. As no one else claimed to see anything at the time, there was a distinct possiblity that the person had actually fallen under the train. Hence, traction current was discharged and the Met service went into meltdown for an hour!
Unfortunately, 6 Met trains were in the City, with only 4 available platforms, so one was detrained at GPS, worked into Baker St. P6, then double shunted via the Outer rail into P3 . The second was again detrained at GPS, and reversed via P6 to Aldgate, with the intention of sending one empty from Aldgate Westbound (and so on if you catch my drift).
All in all it was a one hour shutdown and nothing was found. It then came to light, by a now ready to tell all witness, that some drunk bloke had indeed been hit by the train, but as he had no injuries he just got on the next Jubilee!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2010 15:20:39 GMT
Thanks for the explanation.Bloomin' drunks.I always get nervous when I see them swaying along the platforms, at night.Oh well all part of the rich tapestry of London life.
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Post by metman on Apr 1, 2010 16:57:32 GMT
What a saga!
Least we got it back to 2-2!! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2010 21:11:08 GMT
Ah ha Metman and fellow Gooner.
Meanwhile yet ANOTHER signal failure tonight stopping trains between Aldgate and Wembley Pk.What is going on? As just a lowly passenger what happens during all these interminable weekends of engineering work on the Met?.Not much signalling upgrading or whatever they do from what I see happening this week.The whole system seems to be on a knife edge.
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Post by metman on Apr 1, 2010 22:01:23 GMT
The signalling is pants! There are often problems, especially on the Inner Circle itself, which often means the Uxbridge service terminates at Harrow/Wembley.
The signal upgrade is for me the most important part of the whole upgrade!
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Post by citysig on Apr 2, 2010 8:00:19 GMT
Meanwhile yet ANOTHER signal failure tonight stopping trains between Aldgate and Wembley Pk.What is going on? As just a lowly passenger what happens during all these interminable weekends of engineering work on the Met?.Not much signalling upgrading or whatever they do from what I see happening this week.The whole system seems to be on a knife edge. It hasn't been a good week. In fact it has been our worst week for a while, and I can fully appreciate your frustration. But, at least 2 of the shutdowns I have seen this week were as a result of failures which could not really have been predicted / prevented by weekend works. Another would need quite a lot more than a weekend to carry out work to prevent water ingress into the tunnel. Here's hoping the system has got its failures out and next week is better. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2010 14:01:15 GMT
Thank you all for the replies.
As you say lets hope....
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Post by SE13 on Apr 2, 2010 14:33:11 GMT
On the bright side, a fine recovery from Arsenal, so the nightmare journey would have been slightly more pleasant...... However, they do say that problems always come in threes, so for the meantime, I shall avoid The Met Line until you have travelled on it again  |
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Post by Ben on Apr 2, 2010 14:43:43 GMT
Those tunnels around Swiss Cottage have always been a weak point. Why is it they are so suceptable to water ingress?
Apparently there was a 6 hour shutdown or something. Got in time to Uxb for last train, only to be told the last service (which was still in sight at throat) had left at 00:31 and the chance of anything more was near enough to be nill. £11.50 taxi fare. Hmph!
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Post by citysig on Apr 2, 2010 15:25:00 GMT
Here's hoping the system has got its failures out and next week is better. Well maybe not quite. Signals failing between Farringdon and Kings Cross as I write. There's always tomorrow to have a day this week without problems. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2010 16:29:42 GMT
Ah ha Metman and fellow Gooner. Meanwhile yet ANOTHER signal failure tonight stopping trains between Aldgate and Wembley Pk. A trainstop went up in flames on the approach to Wembley Park NB (this was after failures at Swiss Cottage and Edgware Road) and this left the Met suspended south of Wembley until COT! Not a good week for the Met or H&C as far as failures go. |
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Post by metman on Apr 2, 2010 16:55:47 GMT
Up in flames? Damn!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2010 17:40:20 GMT
On the bright side, a fine recovery from Arsenal, so the nightmare journey would have been slightly more pleasant...... However, they do say that problems always come in threes, so for the meantime, I shall avoid The Met Line until you have travelled on it again Having to use the Picc. tomorrow for the Wolves game as the Met is,of course,closed for engineering for the whole of the holiday weekend.Sudbury Town to Arsenal Gillespie Road 25 stops 55 mins yawn yawn. |
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Post by metman on Apr 2, 2010 18:15:21 GMT
See ya there then!
I'll be going from Hatch End as Northwood is end of the line! Trip on the Victoria Line from Euston, perhaps it'll be a 09ts, but hopefully it'll be a 67! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2010 18:18:54 GMT
what actually causes the water ingress between finchley road and baker street? it couldnt be the regents cannal because that runs under it, so what else could it be?
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Post by citysig on Apr 2, 2010 22:05:22 GMT
Water ingress is a system-wide problem, and is a mixture of water coming from above and seeping down, to water coming from below and seeping up.
Cross that never-ending problem with a generally high water table across London, and tunnels built over a hundred years ago (some nearly 150 years ago).
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Post by slugabed on Apr 3, 2010 3:25:57 GMT
Cross that never-ending problem with a generally high water table across London. Read "RISING water table" in London as a result of the decline of industry since the 60s. Various factories used to abstract huge quantities of water from the alluvial aquifer**,but now they are gone,the table is creeping upwards,causing problems not only for the Tube,but also for the foundations of taller buildings...... **Not to be confused with the Chalk aquifer,whose water table is falling,causing different problems! |
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Post by SE13 on Apr 3, 2010 6:42:07 GMT
On the bright side, a fine recovery from Arsenal, so the nightmare journey would have been slightly more pleasant...... However, they do say that problems always come in threes, so for the meantime, I shall avoid The Met Line until you have travelled on it again Having to use the Picc. tomorrow for the Wolves game as the Met is,of course,closed for engineering for the whole of the holiday weekend.Sudbury Town to Arsenal Gillespie Road 25 stops 55 mins yawn yawn. I can't think of a more pleasant trip. Nearly an hour on a 73, then the majestic sight of Highbury (well, the bit that's left) as you exit Arsenal tube. It goes a bit downhill after that, a couple of hours in the lifeless bowl being forced to sit and be quiet, but that's for another place and not here. Meanwhile, back on topic, the more problems that are ironed out now, the less there will be when S Stock makes it's grand entrance.......... In theory! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2010 13:45:10 GMT
Is the reasoning for tipping out at Great Portland St westbound that platform 6 at Baker St is too short for an 8 car A stock unit? I know that the move is cleared for passenger use as I have done it in a 6 car C stock. Presumably the shunt westbound-eastbound via platform 2 isn't signalled for passenger trains.
Would the trains have run in passenger service Great Portland St-Aldgate?
Thanks for the responses, I do find the words of those of you responsible for running the railway most interesting.
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Post by Chris M on Apr 4, 2010 15:15:05 GMT
I remember reading on this forum previously that platform 6 at Baker Street is indeed to short for an 8-car A stock. If it necessary to detrain an A stock there, the front (presumably 5 or 6) coaches are detrained, then the t/op moves the train forward into the tunnel towards Edgware Road until the rear of the train is adjacent to the platform (I can't remember if there is a limit of shunt board or whether the normal overrun markers are used) and can be tipped out.
Obviously this all takes time to complete, and might require more station staff than at GPS (I'm not sure), so the far simpler procedure at Great Portland Street will be used in preference.
I would not be surprised if pax in the rear of the train were able to continue their journeys quicker from GPS than Baker Street in this circumstance, despite the latter being a better interchange (it's not far to walk between Great Portland Street and Regents Park stations either).
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Post by setttt on Apr 4, 2010 17:22:10 GMT
Is the reasoning for tipping out at Great Portland St westbound that platform 6 at Baker St is too short for an 8 car A stock unit? Yes. If it's known in advance that an 8 car A60 will need to reverse via Baker 6, it's easier to detrain at Great Portland Street as it avoids a lengthy detrainment procedure. Chris M has pretty much described it, with the exception that customers in the rear two cars must be walked through before the front two cars can be worked into the tunnel. Presumably the shunt westbound-eastbound via platform 2 isn't signalled for passenger trains. It's a colour light move so it can be done with passengers. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2010 18:11:19 GMT
Is the reasoning for tipping out at Great Portland St westbound that platform 6 at Baker St is too short for an 8 car A stock unit? I know that the move is cleared for passenger use as I have done it in a 6 car C stock. Presumably the shunt westbound-eastbound via platform 2 isn't signalled for passenger trains. Would the trains have run in passenger service Great Portland St-Aldgate? Thanks for the responses, I do find the words of those of you responsible for running the railway most interesting. I had the trains tipped out at GPS for speed more than anything else. The C&H was running to time, and in the end only a handful of those trains were 5-10 minutes late. As explained above, extra staff are needed at Baker Street and with walking people through etc, that all takes more time. Better to have one railway shot to bits than two ;D One of the trains actually shunted from P6 to P3 at Baker Street as that platform was the only one available and still had a traction current feed as current was discharged on the Northbound only. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2010 12:33:20 GMT
You were obviously stuck on 452, which was the only train stuck in the section ;D Yep correct, ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2010 9:32:40 GMT
...so one was detrained at GPS, worked into Baker St. P6, then double shunted via the Outer rail into P3 . The second was again detrained at GPS, and reversed via P6 to Aldgate, with the intention of sending one empty from Aldgate Westbound (and so on if you catch my drift). I would've loved to have been there to see that! Can the A stock still go through and reverse at Edgware Road, if need be or have LU made alterations to the signalling that prevent that from happening now? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2010 23:46:23 GMT
...so one was detrained at GPS, worked into Baker St. P6, then double shunted via the Outer rail into P3 . The second was again detrained at GPS, and reversed via P6 to Aldgate, with the intention of sending one empty from Aldgate Westbound (and so on if you catch my drift). I would've loved to have been there to see that! Can the A stock still go through and reverse at Edgware Road, if need be or have LU made alterations to the signalling that prevent that from happening now? It's the latter, with the addition that A stock may be out of gauge west of Baker Street pfm6. Even if one would fit through the center roads at Edgware Road you wouldn't be able to use the trailing crossover on the east side of the station, and the proximity of Praed Street Junction may even require the train to go all the way to Royal Oak! The short answer is that an A stock would be WDM'ed before it would go west from Baker Street pfm6. |
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Post by setttt on Apr 27, 2010 0:05:19 GMT
I would've loved to have been there to see that! Can the A stock still go through and reverse at Edgware Road, if need be or have LU made alterations to the signalling that prevent that from happening now? It's the latter, with the addition that A stock may be out of gauge west of Baker Street pfm6. Even if one would fit through the center roads at Edgware Road you wouldn't be able to use the trailing crossover on the east side of the station, and the proximity of Praed Street Junction may even require the train to go all the way to Royal Oak! The short answer is that an A stock would be WDM'ed before it would go west from Baker Street pfm6. A Stock is still permitted between Baker Street and Edgware Road. Reversal of an 8 car would be achieved by working past OP11/12 to the limit of shunt just short of Praed Street Junction, then run back through platform 2 or 3 onto the outer rail. |
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Post by citysig on Apr 27, 2010 8:39:25 GMT
Indeed, and I believe there is still an 8-car stopping mark just beyond that signal at Praed St Junction, ready and waiting for such an eventuality ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2010 12:17:37 GMT
Indeed, and I believe there is still an 8-car stopping mark just beyond that signal at Praed St Junction, ready and waiting for such an eventuality ;D ...and in Seth you have an operator ready willing and eager to perform the move for such an eventuality ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by setttt on Apr 27, 2010 21:15:07 GMT
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