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Post by nickf on Mar 29, 2010 12:55:01 GMT
This is a long shot....does anyone remember what a British condensing steam locomotive sounded like? Presumably no conventional chuff chuff; perhaps a gurgling noise or a crackling sound as the bubbles implode. What a pity that the only extant condensing loco, the Gresley N2, has its condensing apparatus restored cosmetically only, so I am informed. I guess that No. 23 will never leave her plinth in Covent Garden? I've heard rumours of a Mersey Railway loco awaiting restoration; perhaps that will provide the answer in time.
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Post by mrfs42 on Mar 29, 2010 17:07:07 GMT
Presumably from the phrasing you've heard a recording of the (non-existent) exhaust beat on the SAR 25 class - the Silent Suzies?
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Post by nickf on Mar 29, 2010 20:26:24 GMT
Alas no, if only. I had a conversation with the driver of a Dean Goods which had been converted to condensing mode to haul huge guns mounted on rail trucks on Dover cliffs during the war - they didn't want exhaust steam to give the position away. He gave me the tip about the crackling sound. When still a child I saw an ex-GWR pannier tank hauling an engineer's train through Tower Hill station, but my memory lets me down on the sound - I don't even know if they were fitted with condensing gear? Please enlighten me about the SAR 25s. There's an amusing story in Alan Jackson's 'London's Metropolitan Railway' about when Aldgate station was built, they had the troughs into which the boiling condensing water from the Beyer Peacock 440s was dumped. These troughs originally connected with the common sewer down to the Thames...until houses further down the sewer pipe found that 1000 gallons of boiling water rushing down created a nasty shock for anyone communing with Nature at the time. The Metropolitan was required to build its own sewer quite rapidly.
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Post by mrfs42 on Mar 29, 2010 22:48:16 GMT
;D
Try:
- you can tell it is condensing with the plume of steam out of the tender.
- note the puffs out of the tender in the -7 at De Aar.
Importantly, note that these engines were fitted with fans on the condensing tenders, so there might not have been much in the way of snap, crackle and pop to hear over the bearing hum
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Post by nickf on Mar 30, 2010 6:47:16 GMT
Very many thanks for those links. Yes, I was being slower than usual in failing to pick up your reference. I've got an article somewhere by a fireman relating his experience of suddenly being confronted with one of these locos; he had a steep learning curve but succeeded in the end. As you mention, these were much more sophisticated than the denizens of the Widened Lines, with exhaust turbines powering forced draught for the fire and the cooling fans as well; I believe they also has oil traps to make sure that the lubricants in the exhaust steam didn't get recycled back into the boiler. The arrangement on the Beyer Peacocks was simpler. The exhaust steam pipes entered the side tanks and ended above water level, but just beneath it another pipe led down under water and at the bottom bifurcated and led fore and aft, but perforated. The idea was to let some steam condense under water and some to go over the water surface...presumably this split was to avoid back pressure. Oil droplets were deemed acceptable as water changes were frequent, Aldgate, Edgware Road and (I think) South Kensington.
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Post by mrfs42 on Mar 30, 2010 7:56:43 GMT
I should have access to my 'other' library over the weekend; if I get chance I shall have a look in the 1910 - 1915 book on draughting/valve gear to see if there are any clues therein.
From memory the 4-4-0s are used as a textbook example for something (can't remember what though).
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Post by nickf on Mar 30, 2010 8:29:44 GMT
That's very kind of you. While you are looking at valve gear on the Beyer Peacocks, any information on the Gibson and Lilley gear that they had (replacing the original Stephenson), would be VERY much appreciated.
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Post by mrfs42 on Mar 30, 2010 8:36:49 GMT
Ooh. Now those names are ringing a vague bell - I've not read the book for about 8/9 years - let's see what I can turn up in the technical end of the other library. ;D
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