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Post by flippyff on Mar 20, 2010 21:13:54 GMT
Does anyone know when a full shadow service will commence on the ELL i.e. 12TPH through the core section?
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Post by flippyff on Mar 21, 2010 12:17:01 GMT
I've just noticed that Robert Munster's London Bus Routes website is reporting that the ELW replacement bus service will be withdrawn on/after 4th April, so that doesn't seem to leave a lot of time to finalise the testing. Simon |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2010 22:10:25 GMT
Well we did operate 15 trains today for a couple of hours between Dalston Junction and West Croydon/Crystal Palace/New Cross. Went more or less according to plan.
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Post by superteacher on Mar 22, 2010 21:44:54 GMT
I've just noticed that Robert Munster's London Bus Routes website is reporting that the ELW replacement bus service will be withdrawn on/after 4th April, so that doesn't seem to leave a lot of time to finalise the testing. Simon Whilst that is an excellent site, there is a tendency for dates to change quite a bit on it, so I wouldn't take it as gospel. |
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Post by astock5000 on Apr 6, 2010 22:34:37 GMT
Class 378s testing on the ELL at New Cross Gate:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2010 19:41:58 GMT
London Overground, East London line - Dalston Junction to New Cross/
New Cross Gate
Passenger operations on the London Overground East London line will commence
on Thursday 15 April 2010, at a time to be advised in the press.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2010 21:53:18 GMT
Can we please STOP using 'The East London Line' - as far as TfL London Rail is concerned that title has now been dropped. The official designation of the whole network is 'The London Overground' and this particular service will be referred to as 'Dalston Junction - New Cross/New Cross Gate'. After 23 May it will be 'Dalston Junction - New Cross/West Croydon/Crystal Palace'. It's ugly and awkward language I agree, but seemingly that's what passenger research has revealed as the most popular nomenclature, according to TfL! The same rules already apply to the NLL/WLL/GOB and DC lines.
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Post by miztert on Apr 8, 2010 0:08:26 GMT
Can we please STOP using 'The East London Line' - as far as TfL London Rail is concerned that title has now been dropped. The official designation of the whole network is 'The London Overground' and this particular service will be referred to as 'Dalston Junction - New Cross/New Cross Gate'. After 23 May it will be 'Dalston Junction - New Cross/West Croydon/Crystal Palace'. It's ugly and awkward language I agree, but seemingly that's what passenger research has revealed as the most popular nomenclature, according to TfL! The same rules already apply to the NLL/WLL/GOB and DC lines. No, afraid not! |
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Post by Colin on Apr 8, 2010 1:36:23 GMT
Can we please STOP using 'The East London Line' - as far as TfL London Rail is concerned that title has now been dropped. As things currently stand, the forum staff have not set such a policy (other than to differentiate between the former LU operation and the new LO operation) and I suspect we'd be unlikely to in the future. It often makes sense, when referring to a particular part of the London Overground network, to use long established local names or abbreviations in order to make a quick reference as to what particular geographical area is being discussed - using such long winded descriptions as those suggested should not be necessary on a specialist discussion forum such as this place. |
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Post by North End on Apr 8, 2010 7:38:40 GMT
Can we please STOP using 'The East London Line' - as far as TfL London Rail is concerned that title has now been dropped. The official designation of the whole network is 'The London Overground' and this particular service will be referred to as 'Dalston Junction - New Cross/New Cross Gate'. After 23 May it will be 'Dalston Junction - New Cross/West Croydon/Crystal Palace'. It's ugly and awkward language I agree, but seemingly that's what passenger research has revealed as the most popular nomenclature, according to TfL! The same rules already apply to the NLL/WLL/GOB and DC lines. The core section was built as the "East London Railway", so that title will always stick, whether TFL's publicity empire like it or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2010 7:56:14 GMT
The reference in my previous post to London Overground, East London line - Dalston Junction to New Cross/New Cross Gate was lifted directly from a TfL publication. So maybe they don't yet know what to call it, but personally ELL, NLL, WLL, GOB and DC are easy to remember and known by a surprising number of the great unwashed masses.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2010 8:51:02 GMT
Yes that was my argument within TfL London Rail - that existing line names akin to LU line names should be retained. However, public opinion - so I am told - was very strongly that service designations like 'Stratford - Richmond/Clapham Junction' were preferred by the public who use the services - I only hope they asked more than 3 people tho! That being the case, all line names are now being dropped in favour of service designations - there is a lag in TfL so some publications still refer to ELL/NLL etc., but this will cease in quick time as there will be an aggressive marketing campaign. Apart from within discussion groups like this, I am afraid that such line names are being consigned to history - much to my regret.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2010 10:23:25 GMT
As a member of staff it is the ELL. This is used not only by the workers, but by the management as well. London Overground uses the following names for each line - GOB, DC, East West and ELL. If you do not like it, hard luck.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2010 10:24:01 GMT
Boris will be doing the honours at 10.00 at Dalston on Thursday
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2010 14:14:37 GMT
As a member of staff it is the ELL. This is used not only by the workers, but by the management as well. London Overground uses the following names for each line - GOB, DC, East West and ELL. If you do not like it, hard luck. If I like it or not is not the issue. LO (LOROL) operate the service on contract - what they call the lines internally is for them. TfL London Rail decide the naming policy for services, just as they decide everything else to do with London Overground services. Like it or not its service names that rule from now on. RIP ELL. 
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Post by SE13 on Apr 8, 2010 15:19:48 GMT
As a member of staff it is the ELL. This is used not only by the workers, but by the management as well. London Overground uses the following names for each line - GOB, DC, East West and ELL. If you do not like it, hard luck. If I like it or not is not the issue. LO (LOROL) operate the service on contract - what they call the lines internally is for them. TfL London Rail decide the naming policy for services, just as they decide everything else to do with London Overground services. Like it or not its service names that rule from now on. RIP ELL. I very much doubt it'll be RIP ELL, it's what it's been known as for years, and I suspect that people (rightly or wrongly) will always refer to it as anything different. I'm sure the GOBLIN wasn't first advertised as such, it's another of those that just receives some sort of slang/abbreviation. That all said, it was the Met Line (East London section) when I was a kid! |
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Post by Colin on Apr 8, 2010 15:26:15 GMT
Admin Comment Again:
I used the words "Admin Comment" in my reply #10 on the previous page to indicate a staff intervention and state the forum's position and yet here we are hijacking a thread and having a discussion on it.
The issue, as far as this forum is concerned, is not up for discussion - if you want to discuss the general nature of what's called what, start a new thread and show some courtesy to the OP and the thread subject.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2010 16:19:42 GMT
Boris will be doing the honours at 10.00 at Dalston on Thursday
I assume you mean Thursday 15th April??!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2010 17:10:05 GMT
Whoops, yes, not today, Thursday of next week, the 15th
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