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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2010 20:19:00 GMT
Does anyone know the date for the official entry into service for the A60 stock? If the stock is to become the first LT electric stock to see a half-century of service I think that some celebration of this must occur, even if only by the members of this forum! I feel a 'meet' coming on....
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Post by t697 on Mar 9, 2010 21:17:10 GMT
12 June 1961 for first passenger service according to MAC Horne's "The Metropolitan Line" (page 84). I recall an announcement at 30 TSC on what must have been 12 June 2001 that the day was the fortieth anniversary..! I've also seen initial brake test reports from autumn 1960, so the Feb 61 date also mentioned in the book above was probably handover for crew training or some other contract or payment milestone.
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Post by 21146 on Mar 9, 2010 21:39:42 GMT
Look forward to the 50th anniversary railtour in 2011 though the opportunity for unusual moves is pretty limited!
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Post by Chris W on Mar 9, 2010 21:42:30 GMT
Would there be any reason to prevent an A stock train (4 or 8 cars) to visit/invade areas of the District or Cirlce  |
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Post by metman on Mar 9, 2010 21:50:48 GMT
Their width!
I think they can run on parts of it, but only empty!
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 9, 2010 23:42:55 GMT
Is that true? I know the 1938 stock missed 50 years by a few weeks (and there was a gap in the mid 1980s), but in fact some 1938 stock trailers continued in use until 1994 (with the 1960 stock) Some of the standard stock cars which they replaced may have reached 50 years as well. (I think some T stock trailers may have lasted 50 years as well) |
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Post by Ben on Mar 10, 2010 3:53:13 GMT
1927 - 1984 I think might be the max span of Standard stock on LUL...
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Post by metman on Mar 10, 2010 7:41:36 GMT
T stock trailers were built in 1929-32. They just made it to 30 years old. Some dreadnought steam stock coaches were built in 1910 (on 1905 saloon stock chasis) and made it to 50 years. However, later batches of Dreads were built in 1912, 1920 and 1923. Some of the later batches of these were converted to run with T stock.
Although the odd cars hung around for 50 years, nearly the whole A stock fleet has remained in service for nearly 50 years - a truely remarkable feat!
This just shows that they are a fantastic fleet. Anyone remember the reliability of the 1938 stock in the 70s-80s?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2010 8:59:51 GMT
I think the 2009 tube stock is one of the few to actually enter public service (albeit in a very limited way) in the year it is named after. I might be wrong, but I'm sure the stock naming used to be based on planned delivery year for the first train rather than in-service year? There certainly wasn't any 1973 stock in service in 1973, nor any D(78), the first two I remember being introduced.
A stock has trouble fitting round the south side of the Circle I believe - I'm sure I've read on here about a driver taking a wrong stick at Aldgate East on an ELL stock move, then bumping and grinding past some platforms on the green bit of the Circle?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2010 9:03:30 GMT
This just shows that they are a fantastic fleet. Anyone remember the reliability of the 1938 stock in the 70s-80s? Yes, although my memory's pretty hazy! The original origin of the 'Misery Line' tag IIRC. The problems revolved around a dispute at Acton Works didn't they, meaning that repaired/replacement parts (compressors?) weren't available when needed? |
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Post by Oracle on Mar 10, 2010 11:23:26 GMT
I seem to recall that either the C69 (or more likely) C77 Stock were just about the only stock that went into service coinciding with its date coding.
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Post by SE13 on Mar 10, 2010 11:58:39 GMT
Their width! I think they can run on parts of it, but only empty! I thought they were the same width as C stock |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2010 12:18:46 GMT
The first 38 TS arrived in '38. The first 58 trailers made it twenty years early (Joking)! There may have been odd vehicles of other stock that survived 50+ years but the A stock is, I'm pretty certain, the first electric stock for which a complete set (or several) will have reached the half-century in continuous service. As Metman so rightly said, a truly remarkable feat! As soon as the anniversary date is confirmed I'll make sure I get a leave day.
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Post by tubeprune on Mar 10, 2010 13:51:40 GMT
The car entry into service dates give 12th June 1961 for the first 8-car train made up of units 5004/5 and 5008/9. Note to Fleet Manager, Neasden: Could you keep 5004 unit going until then please? 5008 unit has gone but the A DM car survived to be renumbered 5034.  |
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Post by Oracle on Mar 10, 2010 14:58:01 GMT
A Stock is wider than C Stock, surely? Arguably the widest of any UK 'main' railway (not Nene Vally Railway!) to take advantage of the ex-GCR UIC-gauge tunnels?
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Post by SE13 on Mar 10, 2010 16:34:23 GMT
If it is, it can't be by much.
I call upon my more learned stock experts (not that I'm a stock expert by any means) but I thought D was a lot narrower than C which in turn was a minimal amount narrower (if at all) that A.
Metman might know...?
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Post by metman on Mar 10, 2010 17:32:24 GMT
A stock cars are longer than C stock cars too. D stock are the longest, but as stated are narrower!
There is a thread from the distant past that has a discussion about car widths.
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Post by SE13 on Mar 10, 2010 17:54:26 GMT
Brian Hardys' excellent London UndergrounD Rolling Stock says: A Stock 2946mm (2.946m) C Stock 2920mm (2.920m) = -26mm D Stock 2850mm (2.850m) = -96mm on A, -70 on C. I hate to be awkward, but can I have that in English...... I wouldn't know a meter or any of that metric stuff if it smacked me in the face with full instructions! |
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Post by Chris W on Mar 10, 2010 19:16:07 GMT
SE13... you asked for it and courtesy of my work conversion system here are the answers you crave, with apologies to both Brian Hardy for using your data and Dstock7080, your earlier post: A Stock 2946mm (2.946m) = 116.37795 inches 9.6981627 feet 3.2327209 yards 0.0018367732 miles C Stock 2920mm (2.920m) = 114.96063 inches 9.5800525 feet 3.1933508 yards 0.0018144039 miles D Stock 2850mm (2.850m) = 112.20472 inches 9.3503937 feet 3.1167979 yards 0.0017709079 miles Bet you've never heard/seen the width of any LU rolling stock measured in miles before ;D ;D ;D Well you did ask SE13 UPDATE - I've just found another book in my collection called Motive Power Recognition:4 - London Transport Railways (& PTE systems) by John Glover and Colin J. Marsden. Although close, the imperial width measurements are slightly different: A Stock 9 feet 8 inches C Stock 9 feet 7 inges D stock 9 feet 4.5 inches In reality we're only talking about an inch or so, but I expect that figures have been rounded up or down somewhere... But then us enthusiasts are an anal lot  ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Dmitri on Mar 10, 2010 22:03:17 GMT
For those who can speak metric, LU rolling stock dimensions are here. Note that D is 2 metres longer than A. |
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