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Post by cso on Feb 25, 2010 12:47:03 GMT
I'm going to admit to being slightly confused...
The signal failure this morning that resulted in a few trains being terminated at Wembley and then Severe Delays was due to a signal failure at Swiss Cottage if I heard the announcement on the train correctly.
However, I thought Swiss Cottage was on the Jubilee Line so how would this affect the Met?
Cheers,
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Post by Ben on Feb 25, 2010 13:04:25 GMT
Swiss Cottage was on the Met, its a closed station between Baker Street and Finchley Road. And theres a crossover there, isn't there?
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Post by suncloud on Feb 25, 2010 13:06:49 GMT
The Metropolitan line had a station at Swiss Cottage which closed not long after the arrival of the Bakerloo alongside. So it is perfectly conceivable there was a fault at (or near) this disused station, but it would be less confusing to describe it as 'between Finchley Road and Baker Street'
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Post by cso on Feb 25, 2010 13:49:31 GMT
It's a closed station though (which I was aware of already) which was why I was confused... as I'd have expected it to be 'Between Finchley Road and Baker Street' not 'Swiss Cottage' and initially thought that I'd misheard and they were saying there were Jubille Line problems  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2010 14:58:48 GMT
Intially we had signalling problems there, a little bit after, the area from Wembley park to Baker Street had to be temporarily suspended for technical staff to rememdy the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2010 20:12:11 GMT
There are many problems with water ingress between Baker Street and Finchley Road. Some at ground level and others pouring in from the tunnel walls & ceiling. I don't know if this failure was caused by water coming in, but we need some major work carried out in this area before these failures become a very regular occurrence.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2010 20:49:49 GMT
As a one time Traffic Controller for the (great and glorious ;D ;D) Metropolitan Line, the water problem south of Finchley Road has been going on for years. In the summer of 1975, heavy rain caused an A Stock train to become stalled in the area of Swiss Cottage disused station with water up above bogie level and I believe into the car as well (can't confirm that though).
The unit that came off worst was 5154-6154-6155-5155 and it was an Acton Works repair job (5154-6154 to AW 17/9/75, 6155-5155 to AW 6/10/75), both pairs between L126 and L127. The completed unit returned to Neasden on 15/4/76.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2010 20:54:15 GMT
As a one time Traffic Controller for the (great and glorious ;D ;D) Metropolitan Line, the water problem south of Finchley Road has been going on for years. In the summer of 1975, heavy rain caused an A Stock train to become stalled in the area of Swiss Cottage disused station with water up above bogie level and I believe into the car as well (can't confirm that though). Problem is that it is now getting to saturation point on the track and the signalling can't take much more. I believe there is another water related failure going on even as we speak! |
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Post by North End on Feb 25, 2010 20:54:24 GMT
I'm going to admit to being slightly confused... The signal failure this morning that resulted in a few trains being terminated at Wembley and then Severe Delays was due to a signal failure at Swiss Cottage if I heard the announcement on the train correctly. However, I thought Swiss Cottage was on the Jubilee Line so how would this affect the Met? Cheers, Confused There is a disused station at Swiss, which is accessible from the Jubilee Line station. There's also an emergency crossover and associated IMR. |
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Post by metman on Feb 25, 2010 20:56:52 GMT
There always seems to be signal failures at Swiss Cottage, and Farringdon!
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Post by citysig on Feb 26, 2010 12:19:01 GMT
Problem is that it is now getting to saturation point on the track and the signalling can't take much more. I believe there is another water related failure going on even as we speak! Yes there was indeed  ;D Another signal failing, this time close to Lords station, and also related to water ingress. The information put out was a little more "user friendly" to the public, and used the "between Finchley Road and Baker Street" line rather than telling them it was at Lords. |
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Post by railtechnician on Feb 26, 2010 19:33:08 GMT
Well of course Swiss Cottage is a known as it has a crossover and an IMR whereas Lords is much like other scenery in the cut and cover area. I don't know if it still is but Swiss Cottage (Met) was a designated emergency detrainment point with its staircase up to the Jubilee ticket hall.
It's a few years since I last worked in that IMR, but probably no more than 10.
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Post by citysig on Feb 27, 2010 11:04:45 GMT
All 3 disused stations have the ability to be emergency detrainment points. Swiss Cottage also has the added ability of having a running signal (not a shunt signal) for the reversing move, so if required a trainload of passengers can easily be reversed back towards Finchley Road.
It goes without saying that none of the 3 stations are open for daily use, which does make it strange (as the OP states) that they used a disused station as a "marker point" for a failure - no matter how well known the location is to us, or what equipment we know it to have.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2010 12:42:58 GMT
C2C tend to refer to disruptions by reference to the nearest District Line station even though C2C themselves do not serve it. eg Bromley-By-Bow, Hornchurch etc.
I suppose average passengers are likely to have a general idea where Swiss Cottage is as it has a known station on the Jubilee Line and thus tube map, where as the location of Lords would be much less know.
The important info is where the service suspended between, the actual cause and location just a nice to know for those who like a bit more detail.
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Post by citysig on Feb 27, 2010 23:28:05 GMT
National Rail do tend to refer to actual locations more. I know on the line I frequent, they quite often give the location as a junction or even a tunnel / bridge and expect everyone to know.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2010 19:30:08 GMT
(...)where as the location of Lords would be much less known. (...) I guess Cricket fans know where Lords is located! |
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;D Another signal failing, this time close to Lords station, and also related to water ingress.
