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Post by andypurk on Feb 21, 2010 17:02:11 GMT
I passed through Euston this afternoon and wondered why London Overground think it is reasonable to fill platforms 9 and 10 with units stabled out of use. 378 009, 016 and 019 were in platform 10 and 378 017 and 313 116 in platform 9. The Queens Park shuttle was running from the spare slot at the country end of platform 9 (313 115 on the 15.47 departure).
Several people seemed to have been left behind when the 15.47 left (I was on the 15.54 to Milton Keynes from platform 8).
I've also noticed that there is frequently a 378 stabled in platform 9 during the week, with the service train running from the far end.
Can there ever be any justification for stabling units 'in the way' of the normal service.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2010 17:29:14 GMT
that's nomal at Euston ive seen them in Platform 9,10,11 and 18, London Midland do the same i think its down to matter of space and places to stable them :S or is down to the work that is being carried out  . there was always stabled overground trains on a sunday at euston as far as i can remeber. Was their not a 378 stabled at Watford Junction??? in the overground paltforms. |
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Post by andypurk on Feb 21, 2010 18:08:44 GMT
that's nomal at Euston ive seen them in Platform 9,10,11 and 18, London Midland do the same i think its down to matter of space and places to stable them :S or is down to the work that is being carried out . there was always stabled overground trains on a sunday at euston as far as i can remeber. On Sundays, they used to stable on the platform 16 side of the station, on the sidings between platforms 15 and 16. It's not like that part of Euston was unavailable this weekend, London Midland were using platform 17 at least. My question isn't so much about what is available, but why LO seem to have got into the habit of blocking their operational platform to the inconvenience of their passengers. London Midland don't generally stable units at Euston for long periods. During the week, they run them out to Camden Carriage Sidings (or all the way back to Bletchley). At weekends, I generally only see units hanging around at Euston for short periods. |
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Post by astock5000 on Feb 21, 2010 18:19:49 GMT
378 009, 016 and 019 were in platform 10 It seems odd that 019 was stabled at Euston, as it hasn't entered service yet. Was their not a 378 stabled at Watford Junction??? in the overground paltforms. 378151 has often been stabled in platform 1 at Watford recently, and I have seen 378/0s stabled there at weekends. |
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Post by andypurk on Feb 21, 2010 19:00:06 GMT
378 009, 016 and 019 were in platform 10 It seems odd that 019 was stabled at Euston, as it hasn't entered service yet. Not so odd, the units still being commissioned often appear at Euston. I think it is part of the AC testing route and you can sometimes see them running along the mainline, rather than the DC lines. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2010 8:29:41 GMT
My question isn't so much about what is available, but why LO seem to have got into the habit of blocking their operational platform to the inconvenience of their passengers. London Midland don't generally stable units at Euston for long periods. During the week, they run them out to Camden Carriage Sidings (or all the way back to Bletchley). At weekends, I generally only see units hanging around at Euston for short periods. Euston station is owned, managed and run by Network Rail. The Network Rail signalmen decide where the trains are stabled, not LOROL. Camden Carriage Sidings are managed and run by LM. They decide what gets stabled there and they charge other TOCs to stable their trains there. |
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Post by patstonuk on Feb 22, 2010 9:10:14 GMT
As far as I know 378151 (an ELL unit) is stabled at Watford Junction for deicing duties on the DC Lines. I had heard (but cannot confirm) that the last 4 ELL units (151-154) have been fitted with tanks for deicing fluid. Can anyone confirm this?
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Post by andypurk on Feb 22, 2010 9:10:32 GMT
My question isn't so much about what is available, but why LO seem to have got into the habit of blocking their operational platform to the inconvenience of their passengers. London Midland don't generally stable units at Euston for long periods. During the week, they run them out to Camden Carriage Sidings (or all the way back to Bletchley). At weekends, I generally only see units hanging around at Euston for short periods. Euston station is owned, managed and run by Network Rail. The Network Rail signalmen decide where the trains are stabled, not LOROL. In conjunction with the LO(ROL) controllers. The point is, normally there wouldn't be five units stabled at Euston, they would be in service, so some one decided to put them at Euston, rather than keeping them at Willesden. And Network Rail will have charged LO(ROL) to stable their units at Euston. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2010 11:08:33 GMT
As far as I know LOROL can stable 4 units at Euston without any additional charge, but this is normally overnight and not during operational hours. There's berthing info on page 3.2 in this document: www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pdf/s18-NLR_appendix10.pdf. Also the weekend works by Network Rail at Willesden Junction prevents LOROL being able to get it's trains out of Willesden Depot as normal, as it would only be able to get its trains out onto the AC lines (as the bay road at the LL platforms is out of use whilst bridge works overhead take place), so perhaps a compromise would have been reached to stable trains at Euston during these works? |
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Post by andypurk on Feb 22, 2010 12:10:04 GMT
Isn't that the planned stabling information, rather than the existing? I agree that's why there were so many units at Euston on Sunday, with the added complication that the units normally stabled at the eastern end of the NLL will have to have been moved to the western end before the Gospel Oak - Stratford engineering blockade started. But the question remains, why stable them in such a way as to inconvenience passengers and cause them to miss their train? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2010 13:01:39 GMT
But the question remains, why stable them in such a way as to inconvenience passengers and cause them to miss their train? You have to understand that the key management criteria nowadays is whether the train actually is recorded as departing on time, from wherever it happens to be in the station. This is what is measured, this is ONLY what is important. If all or some of the intending passengers thereby miss it because it is a big walk the length of the platform, past some dead trains they will inevitably head for first, that is, as far as management performance statistics are concerned, neither here nor there. |
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