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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2010 17:45:44 GMT
Hi all,
I have noticed a new entrance has been built at Royal Victoria to the Beckton platform.
Also I have realised that the track has been laid for the Stratford International line but they have not built the platform? I thought this would have been done at the same time as the extension of the old platform but has not been done and the contractors have moved on to Custom House....
Does anybody know what the plan is for this station? I would assume the Beckton platform will become an island ant the existing glass side / roof will be removed. Seems a lot of work to-do here.
Cheers
Dan
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2010 18:56:29 GMT
Unless plans have changed, the track at Royal Victoria is for a 'siding' - there isn't (wasn't?) planned to have a third platform here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2010 20:30:31 GMT
Unless plans have changed, the track at Royal Victoria is for a 'siding' - there isn't (wasn't?) planned to have a third platform here. O really... I thought the route was going to run R Victoria - Stratford Int thanks for the update. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2010 20:53:34 GMT
Again, as far as I know from recent plans, the Stratford (International) pattern will be alternately Woolwich and Beckton for the main part of the day (MF peaks and midday). Not sure about evenings, weekends and extremes of the days though as to whether both services will operate.
It is believed that both Woolwich and Beckton will continue to be served by trains from Bank and Tower Gateway respectively. All this should eliminate the short workings that currently terminate at Blackwall.
However, as they say, it should all come out in the wash.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2010 10:14:52 GMT
there isn't (wasn't?) planned to have a third platform here. There was in the TWA application. This new platform would become the through platform for eastbound services. |
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Post by thirstquensher on Feb 21, 2010 13:25:26 GMT
What I remember reading as reported was that a new third platform would be built at Royal Victoria which is where Stratford International trains would start from/terminate at, with the existing platform and track that currently runs to Beckton continuing to be the through line.
But then, these things have always been wont to change - I still muse as to whether the only reason the sidings at Mudchute were turned into a passenger platform were because a certain MP complained about how not doing so caused so much congestion... a proposterous notion and a rant dreamed up purely to fill up one half of the cover of his propoganda rag shoved through local residents' doors.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2010 14:19:44 GMT
There are a range of rumours down the Beckton line, which unfortunately shows how poor the DLR are at communication.
The first is that all Beckton trains will now run to Stratford, and all Woolwich continue to run to The City, continuing the theme that the Beckton line is the system's "poor relation" with no need to get to anywhere meaningful without some inconvenient changes.
The second is that there will be alternate trains from each eastern branch to Stratford or The City. This is expected to cause untold confusion at Canning Town about from which platform the next train to both eastern branches may leave from, wrecking the current easy interchange from the Jubilee to them. Waiting at Canning Town for some time and then seeing a train leave for your destination from the other platform (so near actually, so far in walking terms) would be a complete turn-off after all the effort put into the works.
A last theory is that the current 10-minute service on each branch evenings and weekends will be retained, but it will be a 20-minute service to each of Stratford and The City.This means a typical scene at Canning Town might be arrive on the Jubilee, up the escalator to the DLR platform, see the next Beckton there is in 12 minutes, so the next from the other platform is in 2 minutes, run down two escalators, along passage, up the steps, JUST miss the next Beckton from Stratford at the new platform, down the steps again, back through the passage, up the two escalators a bit more slowly this time. Then the long wait. Well, it will keep us fit.
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Post by superteacher on Feb 21, 2010 14:35:12 GMT
There are a range of rumours down the Beckton line, which unfortunately shows how poor the DLR are at communication. The first is that all Beckton trains will now run to Stratford, and all Woolwich continue to run to The City, continuing the theme that the Beckton line is the system's "poor relation" with no need to get to anywhere meaningful without some inconvenient changes. The second is that there will be alternate trains from each eastern branch to Stratford or The City. This is expected to cause untold confusion at Canning Town about from which platform the next train to both eastern branches may leave from, wrecking the current easy interchange from the Jubilee to them. Waiting at Canning Town for some time and then seeing a train leave for your destination from the other platform (so near actually, so far in walking terms) would be a complete turn-off after all the effort put into the works. A last theory is that the current 10-minute service on each branch evenings and weekends will be retained, but it will be a 20-minute service to each of Stratford and The City.This means a typical scene at Canning Town might be arrive on the Jubilee, up the escalator to the DLR platform, see the next Beckton there is in 12 minutes, so the next from the other platform is in 2 minutes, run down two escalators, along passage, up the steps, JUST miss the next Beckton from Stratford at the new platform, down the steps again, back through the passage, up the two escalators a bit more slowly this time. Then the long wait. Well, it will keep us fit. I agree that the arrangements at Canning Town will not be ideal. Maybe they can install a sign which shows from which platform the first train to Beckton / Woolwich will leave from, and in how many minutes so that you can gauge whether it's worth the run! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2010 17:35:36 GMT
I agree that the arrangements at Canning Town will not be ideal. Maybe they can install a sign which shows from which platform the first train to Beckton / Woolwich will leave from, and in how many minutes so that you can gauge whether it's worth the run! That would be a nice idea, but at the same time would they really want to make peoples lives that easy?? |
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Post by franknapo on Feb 21, 2010 19:34:55 GMT
I agree that the arrangements at Canning Town will not be ideal. Maybe they can install a sign which shows from which platform the first train to Beckton / Woolwich will leave from, and in how many minutes so that you can gauge whether it's worth the run! That would be a nice idea, but at the same time would they really want to make peoples lives that easy?? Not really good from a interchange point of view. But there is a screen showing what train is next in the Ticket hall ara at Canning Town. Maybe they could move it or add another 1 nearer to the platforms |
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Post by thirstquensher on Feb 21, 2010 20:12:29 GMT
Sounds like it's going to be a similar sort of scene to that of people trying to board the right Jubilee train at Stratford. The PIDs never correctly show which one will be the next one out (they did used to, I was always impressed at that, and then from one particular day a couple of years ago they inherited the current failings which have never gone away).
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Post by thirstquensher on Feb 21, 2010 21:05:04 GMT
That would be a nice idea, but at the same time would they really want to make peoples lives that easy?? Not really good from a interchange point of view. But there is a screen showing what train is next in the Ticket hall ara at Canning Town. Maybe they could move it or add another 1 nearer to the platforms They don't need to move or add any screens at all. They could display that information on the new spangly screens they installed just a few short months ago. The ones that show, for no purpose whatsoever, a listing of departures from the City Airport. I mean, seriously, those flying should know their flight number already, and really there is no advantage to them knowing the status of their flight 10 minutes before they get to the airport. And if a flight is cancelled, do you really think they're going to look up at the screens at the DLR station to find that out? It seems again to be another example of misplaced priorities - pandering to the small number of elite customers rather than those who work and live around the Docklands - it seems it's only those from the 'deprived' areas of their patch, who get their 'community ambassadors', that they care about being seen to 'care' about publicly. The rest of us can go hang as long as we always keep our Oysters topped-up, it seems. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2010 21:15:24 GMT
That would be a nice idea, but at the same time would they really want to make peoples lives that easy?? Not really good from a interchange point of view. But there is a screen showing what train is next in the Ticket hall ara at Canning Town. Maybe they could move it or add another 1 nearer to the platforms ahh right, Ive never seen that sceen before or ive just walked past it when ive been using that station. |
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Post by thirstquensher on May 31, 2010 9:56:39 GMT
Not really good from a interchange point of view. But there is a screen showing what train is next in the Ticket hall ara at Canning Town. Maybe they could move it or add another 1 nearer to the platforms ahh right, Ive never seen that sceen before or ive just walked past it when ive been using that station. That just goes to show how visible/noticable it is(n't). |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2010 13:16:39 GMT
ahh right, Ive never seen that sceen before or ive just walked past it when ive been using that station. That just goes to show how visible/noticable it is(n't). I'd forgotten about this thread. Benefit of a holiday Monday! Presumably the screen at Canning Town was sited by the same team who put the new departure screens on the Beckton line in positions where they are least likely to be noticed, as if deliberately. The one at Royal Albert, for instance, faces in the opposite direction to the principal pedestrian access route from the housing area, or the council offices, to the westbound platform. I wonder how much longer we will have to put up with the moronic DLR management team, who spend all their time fiddling the reliability statistics to show what a "good job" they are doing. When is the Serco contract up for replacement? Perhaps Boris will "do a Tubelines" and buy them out early. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2010 15:23:46 GMT
I can confirm that there will not be a third platform at Royal Victoria in the current scheme of things. Whether there will be (much) later? - you can never say never. It is a siding only and will possibly be commissioned when the final layout at Canning Town is.
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Post by Deep Level on Jul 17, 2010 23:09:36 GMT
I believe that trains will be alternating st int - beckton/ woolwich arsenal & city - beckton/ woolwich arsenal. After all why would they go to all that trouble to build that new separation junction south of canning town.
Also I feel that they should build a footbridge from the current DLR platforms directly to the new platforms, they can have a screen on the platform to say where the next train for a certain destination will be departing from. Does anyone agree?
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