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Post by edb on Feb 10, 2010 21:45:23 GMT
Given the recent weather, has anyone here got any experience with these? When were they withdrawn? Finally, why are there not specific sleet locos now, cost?
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Post by towerman on Feb 10, 2010 22:16:19 GMT
Possibly cost,when they were in use as well as the driver & guard a car examiner had to ride with them too.These examiners were seconded to sleet duties from October to April,at higher grade rate of pay plus the junior men behind them had to cover any vacancies due to their absence,also at higher grade.As for building dedicated locos now,the cost of building about a dozen specialised vehicles that would spend half the year idle would be prohibitive.
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Post by metman on Feb 10, 2010 23:59:57 GMT
Most current fleets include deicing cars (normally trailers) within their stock. These therefore will provide the duties, with crews not needing any extra training and no special stock needed. Also trains can sleet in regular service.
As for withdrawal, in 1982, 13(18) sleet locos remained. 12 of which were ex CLR motors (8 were out of service[2 awaiting scrapping] and the other ESL were made up of 2 steel panelled ex T stock for high speed service on the Met mainline.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2010 23:12:36 GMT
Of the 1982 fleet, the survivors are 1903 car ESL107 at Acton Museum Depot and the two T stock cars on the Spa Valley Railway. ESL107 has been restored in LT service stock maroon and looks superb up close. it is almost worth a trip to Acton on its own! The T stock cars have no motors but have also been restored and are occasionally used as hauled stock.
There are some great memories of the 1903 locos elsewhere on the forum (either on the Historic or Modelling section from memory) but I'm not clever enough to link to it....
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Post by Colin D on Feb 16, 2010 15:15:26 GMT
Possibly cost,when they were in use as well as the driver & guard a car examiner had to ride with them too. Did the ESL's always have a car examiner ride along? When I was a guard on the Central from '67 on, I worked those trains a few times and only remember the MM and myself on board, not to say their wasn't a third person, memory ain't wot it used to be
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Post by towerman on Feb 16, 2010 19:03:06 GMT
There was a sleet link for car examiners,at least at Hainault there was,which ran from October to April.They were on a three shift roster and were senior car examiners paid leading car examiner's rate.The Depot Foremen used to hate winter time as as well as all the normal covers they had to work out each week there were 9 men taken out of the roster for sleet duties.That was 3 men to each loco x 3 locos.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2010 19:09:07 GMT
The Bakerloo ESL nearly came to grief between Bushey and Harrow Weald one morning after it finally ground to a halt on the return from Watford Junction. The first up LM service running on a yellow call-on marker came across it with no lights showing in the gloom of the morning.
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Post by roythebus on Mar 19, 2010 8:26:36 GMT
Humm, I learnt all these as a guard in the 1970s but never really got a chance to work on them. I learnt the ESLs at Ealing Common, then at Ricky had to learn ESL118A/B and the chore of learning on John Hampden, which was kept at Ricky turn about with Sarah Siddons for "de-icing duties" and for pushing stalled DMUs up the bank to Chorleywood in the autumn!
There was a bad bout of snow in December 1973 which brought the Met almost to a close. an ESL was sent north to clear the main, but that stalled somewhere near Preston Road; the Chesham shuttle took a couple of hours to leave Chalfont, and chaos reigned. Happy days.
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Post by Chris W on Mar 19, 2010 12:27:57 GMT
Of the 1982 fleet, the survivors are 1903 car ESL107 at Acton Museum Depot and the two T stock cars on the Spa Valley Railway. ESL107 has been restored in LT service stock maroon and looks superb up close. it is almost worth a trip to Acton on its own! Have just found this thread. Referring back Glyns Feb post, here are three photos for those that are interested taken last weekend at the open day: cjw1.fpic.co.uk/p63706600.htmlcjw1.fpic.co.uk/p63706601.htmlcjw1.fpic.co.uk/p63706602.html
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Post by Colin D on Mar 19, 2010 13:23:34 GMT
Is ESL 107 still complete ie with motors and compressors etc. If so is it able to run under it's own power as a stand alone unit? By the way great photos Chris
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