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Post by lynda on Jan 25, 2010 0:05:02 GMT
Can anyone help me please. My dad died many years ago very suddenly when I was just a child. He was a callpoint operator/leading carriage examiner at Parson's Green when he died. Can anyone tell me what his job actually was. Did he drive trains? Did he mend trains? I have a letter from LT commending him for action when someone was under a train - was this his job? My mum is no longer with us and as I get older I am getting increasingly curious and want to find out more about his life and work. Can anyone enlighten me?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2010 1:08:48 GMT
I think the short answer is that he would have mended trains. No doubt others will be able to expand on this.
Do you know the approximate dates involved?
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Post by lynda on Jan 25, 2010 2:05:46 GMT
He died in 1969 whilst still working at Parson's Green. He was only about 39 but had been at LT for years, apparently. I have notebooks of his detailing what looks like circuits etc. and I remember going with him to his hut at the side of the track - guess that was against the rules but hey-ho! I am guessing he was on call to repair broken down trains then?
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Post by lynda on Jan 25, 2010 2:32:54 GMT
I have also just come across some papers that look like collections for his memorial from staff at Ealing Common, Ealing Broadway, Acton Town, Barking, Cromwell Curve, Hammersmith, Earls Court etc. so maybe he moved around a lot. This is why I thought maybe he drove trains.?
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Post by tubeprune on Jan 25, 2010 7:39:03 GMT
I have also just come across some papers that look like collections for his memorial from staff at Ealing Common, Ealing Broadway, Acton Town, Barking, Cromwell Curve, Hammersmith, Earls Court etc. so maybe he moved around a lot. This is why I thought maybe he drove trains.? If he was the call point examiner at PG, he would have got that job after working in a depot first, so he was probably at Ealing Common to begin with. Staff in that grade started as cleaners usually and then got promoted on seniority after some training. He would have been on a gang doing "7-daily" exams in the depot, where trains were given a first-level maintenance check, new brake shoes (if necessary), drain reservoirs, test doors, traction, lighting and brakes etc. This was a 2-shift job. From there he would have moved into 3-shifts doing daily inspections, testing again, checking reported faults etc. The call point job would have been the next promotion, probably starting as a cover for staff on leave or sick. That's why he was known at all the different locations. He would have worked there from time to time before getting a fixed post, presumably the one at PG. He wouldn't have driven trains on the main line but he would have known how to and they were allowed some limited movement for testing but not over points IIRC. If you still have his notebooks and diagrams, please keep them safe. There will be valuable information in them which may help people like me who are interested in the circuits and systems on trains. There is also the chance that they could help the Q Stock restoration project. If you would be in a position to let me have sight of them, please PM me.
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Post by Oracle on Jan 25, 2010 7:48:38 GMT
Not strictly relevant here my mother's father died in 1951 aged 51. A World War 1 vetersan, he joined the Underground in 1930 and ended up as a Foreman Ganger on permanent way. However during the war his job had more serious requirements and in 1942-3 he just could not take it any more and resigned. My mother gave me his xertificate on joining the Institution Of Permanent Way Engineers and another certificate from the Undergound. I now can't finds them and wish I had taken better care in years gone by. I therefore echo Tubeprune's comments and suggest that anything that you have may be of value now and in the future.
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Post by Phil on Jan 25, 2010 9:35:51 GMT
If you still have his notebooks and diagrams, please keep them safe. There will be valuable information in them which may help people like me who are interested in the circuits and systems on trains. Tubeprune is absolutely right. They could well be virtually the only copies left and hence very valuable (not in a cash sense, but historically). If you haven't got the facilities to do scans I'm sure one of us can help. They do need preserving though
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Post by mrfs42 on Jan 25, 2010 12:10:37 GMT
Just to echo the comment about preserving the information, too - they are an excellent resource for research.
I'm more than happy to offer my services in digitising them - have suitable digital camera and A3 scanner and the ability to convert them into .pdfs.
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Post by JR 15secs on Jan 25, 2010 12:25:27 GMT
Yuo could also contact the LT Museum they are very interested in the history of LT and preserving it.
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Post by ruislip on Jan 25, 2010 18:46:24 GMT
Could your dad have also coupled/uncoupled trains. IIRC, Parsons Green was used as a regular place for that activity until 1971.
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Post by lynda on Jan 25, 2010 23:52:15 GMT
Thank you for all your replies - the picture is now becoming much clearer but if anyone thinks of anything else please let me know. I am really not sure if Dad's notebooks would be of interest to anyone else as they are just that - notebooks!!!. I have scanned and attached some random sample pages here. Please let me know if you think they would be of use to anyone. Thanks again Lynda
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2010 1:14:28 GMT
That's beautiful. I have never seen anything like this before regarding the ordering of contactors on a PCM. I don't know precisely what it means but it's still awesome 8)
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Post by tubeprune on Jan 26, 2010 6:42:50 GMT
Lynda, Thank you for showing us these pages. I think your Dad has left us a legacy which will be very useful and, if you are able to scan the other pages, it would give us a lot of interesting information. If there are a lot of them and you need help, as you can see from our messages there are some willing helpers around.
The second page is very interesting because it shows part of the operation of a Metadyne equipped train (P Stock). The District only had a few of these so your Dad must have been specially trained on their operation around the end of the 1940s.
The last page is not about PCM equipment; it's the BTH electro-magnetic power circuit contactor sequence as used on Q and H Stock. Standard Stock was very similar. We (as trainmen) were supposed to learn the contactor sequence off by heart.
Are there any drawings or diagrams in your Dad's collection?
If you do decide to offer them to the LT Museum, there are some of us here who visit the museum as researchers or "Friends" on a regular basis and we can arrange for them to be collected and passed to the curator. I wouldn't trust them to the post!
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Post by Phil on Jan 26, 2010 9:24:07 GMT
ADMIN: In view of the historicity of these documents we are not making a fuss about the oversize pics here. I.E. we have seen but chosen not to act since it's always the exception that makes the rule
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Post by lynda on Jan 27, 2010 0:05:36 GMT
Thanks, I am sorry they are so big but any smaller and they would not be legible (plus I could not work out how to make them any smaller!!!)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2010 5:54:10 GMT
Thanks, I am sorry they are so big but any smaller and they would not be legible (plus I could not work out how to make them any smaller!!!) Hey Lynda, may of just been easier to provide the link instead of use the image code but anyhow the forum staff have let you off !
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Post by SE13 on Jan 27, 2010 8:32:36 GMT
Thanks, I am sorry they are so big but any smaller and they would not be legible (plus I could not work out how to make them any smaller!!!) Echo Phil here, there is no problem with the sizes whatsoever.
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Post by Phil on Jan 27, 2010 17:26:47 GMT
Thanks, I am sorry they are so big but any smaller and they would not be legible (plus I could not work out how to make them any smaller!!!) Don't worry - they need sending to places far more important than here . But if you are still feeling guilty there is a tutorial on pics here: districtdave.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=intros&action=display&thread=9165and you could always use 'tinypic' ( tinypic.com/ ) to post small ones. But if that's too much to learn give it a miss: we're just so glad these books have come to light..
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