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Post by happybunny on Jan 24, 2010 16:09:29 GMT
Expected to last at least a few more days, is due to power probs.
Now only 20 minute service to Wimbledon (even number D Stocks)
10 minute service PUB - ERD (C stock, some cancelled)
20 minute service city - PG (odd number D Stocks)
Seems like they can only take ONE train at a time between E.Putney and Wim...
This seems to be since a DMT was fiddling around in E.Putney area earlier today ! (Was 6 C tph service before then , with 6 D tph reversing PG)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2010 16:17:11 GMT
Yes, several times over the last few weeks I've seen severe delays on the Wimbledon branch "due to local power failure at Southfields". What's going on there?
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Post by District Dave on Jan 24, 2010 16:17:36 GMT
So you're suggesting that a DMT is capable of fiddling with something - particularly on the NR side of things - that results in a reduced train service?
Oh please - I don't think so!
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Post by happybunny on Jan 24, 2010 16:24:44 GMT
So you're suggesting that a DMT is capable of fiddling with something - particularly on the NR side of things - that results in a reduced train service? Oh please - I don't think so! Im not suggesting anything at all, I am just saying what happened, I went past East Putney and there was a DMT trackside fiddling with something at track level (I am not an expert I don't know what) and smoke was coming from somewhere in the vicinity of the + rail..... shortly after it was announced only a 20 min service would run to Wim! |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 24, 2010 16:33:39 GMT
I think the Southfields sub-station feeder has been giving problems all week, resulting in single-end feed from Wimbledon.
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Post by Colin on Jan 24, 2010 16:57:25 GMT
The problem has certainly been around since at least last Friday - initially it was put down to a failed piece of equipment in a trackside hut (I suppose you could say it is the equivalent of an LUL substation).
When the failure re-occurred it was initially thought to be the same piece of equipment, but they are now suspecting a cable fault.
AFAIK the actual root source of the problem has yet to be identified so it is interesting that it can be said with certainty just how long this will last for.
One thing is certain though; a reduced service will certainly continue until the problem is fully rectified.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2010 17:07:32 GMT
At present the job is shut down south of Putney Bridge (or is being advertised as so).
I'm sure that a 20 min service would cause a few problems even on a Sunday, can you imagine the peak.
Hopefully Network Rail are onto a fix.
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Post by Colin on Jan 24, 2010 17:17:58 GMT
I think you mean west of   ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by 21146 on Jan 24, 2010 18:57:19 GMT
So you're suggesting that a DMT is capable of fiddling with something - particularly on the NR side of things - that results in a reduced train service? Oh please - I don't think so! Opening a hook switch? |
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Post by happybunny on Jan 24, 2010 18:59:39 GMT
So you're suggesting that a DMT is capable of fiddling with something - particularly on the NR side of things - that results in a reduced train service? Oh please - I don't think so! Opening a hook switch? Could have been, I have heard of a DMT from ECT carrying out that procedure previously. Maybe when some here comes up with a definite of what happened I will get an apology, for being spoken to (by means of thread reply) so very rudely ! |
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Post by Colin on Jan 24, 2010 19:20:01 GMT
AFAIK LU staff are not allowed to touch such equipment, are not trained in it's use and indeed do not even have access to them - in any case if memory serves me correctly, the Service Manager report indicates the hook switch was operated by Network Rail electrical/power contractors. |
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Post by uzairjubilee on Jan 24, 2010 21:01:13 GMT
Does it have anything to do with the work going on at Southfield at the moment?
Being my local station, I have noticed that there are problems there sometimes.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 24, 2010 23:50:47 GMT
What disruption?
Having seen the reports here and on TfL's official site it was with soem trepidation that I set out for South Kensington this evening, but there was a D stock waiting for me at Wimbledon when I got there about 1915, and it left within about 7 minutes.
Even better, on my return (at about 2115) the "next train" at Soth Kensington was "Wimbledon, 1 minute"! This would be good even on a weekday, but late on Sunday evening it's unprecedented! The evil "Spirit of the District" which haunts the line and always ensures that I have to wait for at least three trains to pass before mine comes, wherever it is I happen to want to go at the time, must have taken the evening off!
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Post by tubeprune on Jan 25, 2010 9:28:25 GMT
So you're suggesting that a DMT is capable of fiddling with something - particularly on the NR side of things - that results in a reduced train service? Oh please - I don't think so! Opening a hook switch? There were 3 damaged hook switches in the area, two were welded shut and one suffered a burnt out cable. I suspect the DMT would have been identifying the problem. The problem originated near Durnsford Road where some faulty cable insulation was reducing power and attempts to get a full service running caused overloads at various weak points on tboth the LU and NR side of the boundary. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2010 16:36:54 GMT
Doesn't look like the fault has been fixed. Severe delays this morning and minor delays at present. At least TfL will be getting some cash from network rail - may help balance their books |
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Post by 21146 on Jan 25, 2010 17:41:51 GMT
AFAIK LU staff are not allowed to touch such equipment, are not trained in it's use and indeed do not even have access to them - in any case if memory serves me correctly, the Service Manager report indicates the hook switch was operated by Network Rail electrical/power contractors. Ah maybe not now. In a more innocent age (1990s) District Line DTMs were qualified to operate hook switches, hand-wind points (using a 222 key) and use a shorting bar on the 3rd rail, all trained by a Railtrack MOM. Also they held Railtrack PTS and PICOW certificates which were issued by the ERU at Acton, after undergoing an NR track walk between Wimbledon and Wimbledon Chase. |
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Post by SE13 on Jan 25, 2010 19:14:30 GMT
AFAIK LU staff are not allowed to touch such equipment, are not trained in it's use and indeed do not even have access to them - in any case if memory serves me correctly, the Service Manager report indicates the hook switch was operated by Network Rail electrical/power contractors. Ah maybe not now. In a more innocent age (1990s) District Line DTMs were qualified to operate hook switches, hand-wind points (using a 222 key) and use a shorting bar on the 3rd rail, all trained by a Railtrack MOM. Also they held Railtrack PTS and PICOW certificates which were issued by the ERU at Acton, after undergoing an NR track walk between Wimbledon and Wimbledon Chase. H&SE put paid to everything your normal op could ever do, and it gets worse all the time. If you fan belt falls off on your car, you just buy a new one, break your arms stretching it, and fit it, job sorted. PCV drivers haven't got that option now. Oh no, you need a Guildhall degree in rocket science to qualify you for the right to apply to have a licence to do the same. This isn't to say that I advocate persons doing things without the relevant qualifications (and this instance they shouldn't) but there are times when I wonder how we all lived before the legislation came along. Anyhow, I digress....... T fL website says it's running with minor delays, so if they are to believed we have almost no problem...... Tee hee hee!!! |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 25, 2010 20:32:57 GMT
Also they held Railtrack PTS and PICOW certificates which were issued by the ERU at Acton, after undergoing an NR track walk between Wimbledon and Wimbledon Chase. Why Wimbledon Chase? Does the District still have aspirations to extend to Sutton? |
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Post by Colin on Jan 25, 2010 21:31:58 GMT
If you are going to be trained by NR (Network Rail) to NR standards, it should be done on a proper NR section - the Wimbledon branch, although signalled and operated to NR standards, is actually owned by LU.
I'm not necessarily saying that LU ownership makes a difference, but the maintenance contract is with LU not NR - so it may just be far simpler to do NR training on a proper NR section of track.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2010 11:07:43 GMT
I am slightly surprised that there has been no reference to yesterday's problems, which were caused (so us customers passengers were told) by repeated signal failures at East Putney - whether one signal failed twice or two different ones I don't know.
Obviously that's out of your hands but what was a little odd was a D stock arriving at Putney Bridge and the driver telling passengers it would be held there for "35 to 65 minutes" - why not "half an hour to an hour or so"?
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Post by Phil on Feb 9, 2010 12:14:49 GMT
- why not "half an hour to an hour or so"? ....to satisfy the infernal 'mystery shoppers' as regards precision and timings of DVAs?? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2010 17:54:59 GMT
- why not "half an hour to an hour or so"? ....to satisfy the infernal 'mystery shoppers' as regards precision and timings of DVAs?? Ah! Or even to poke a sly dig at them... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2010 20:58:35 GMT
I am slightly surprised that there has been no reference to yesterday's problems, which were caused (so us customers passengers were told) by repeated signal failures at East Putney - whether one signal failed twice or two different ones I don't know. There was a failure at East Putney last Friday morning as well, I don't know if yesterday's problems were a repeat performance or something different as I am not at work this week. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2010 21:48:39 GMT
The whole Wimbledon branch gone to dogs since National Rail originated power cuts last week (or was it a week before the last).
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Post by Colin on Feb 10, 2010 1:54:40 GMT
It has been a lot lot worse - remember what happened every single time it rained?  ;D ;D EDIT: I should explain... A few years ago it was pretty much guaranteed that when it rained the Wimbledon branch would succumb to multiple signal failures. AIUI the track bed was holding water when it should have drained away and that was causing some of the track circuits to think trains were present when they weren't. We had bobbing signals (repeatedly changing from Red to Green, and sometimes Yellow too) all over the place - it looked very pretty but of course the service was decimated as we had to apply the rule book in respect of passing failed signals. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2010 20:59:26 GMT
What you need are semaphores. I'm sure the Bluebell (or even the RH&D) could help you out if you said please please pretty please often enough ;D
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Post by District Dave on Feb 10, 2010 22:16:58 GMT
What you need are semaphores. I'm sure the Bluebell (or even the RH&D) could help you out if you said please please pretty please often enough ;D Nice idea - but they use track circuits too - so you'd just have the signal arms waving at you instead of lights flashing like a disco lol!!! |
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Post by Tomcakes on Feb 10, 2010 22:44:47 GMT
What you need are semaphores. I'm sure the Bluebell (or even the RH&D) could help you out if you said please please pretty please often enough ;D Nice idea - but they use track circuits too - so you'd just have the signal arms waving at you instead of lights flashing like a disco lol!!! Not if you have a signal box at each signal, a la the railways 100 years ago! Whilst non track circuited lines still exist, I don't think introducing new ones is allowed (similar to 3rd/4th rail electrification). |
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Post by Chris M on Feb 11, 2010 0:26:40 GMT
Actually, I believe that not only can you install new 3rd/4th rail railways (you can extend existing ones, and you can install new ones, it's just that unless you are extending existing conductor rail systems OHLE is normally the better choice), but you can also build new lines without track circuits - as long as you have some alternative form of protection, for example axle counters.
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