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Post by Tomcakes on Jan 10, 2010 0:32:07 GMT
Why?! Is this the same person who decides that we should be told there's a good service every 30 seconds? Doesn't someone use a bit of common sense and realise there's no point in asking people to use the full length of the platform when nobody is there? The problem is that common sense can't be measured. If it can't be measured, there's no point in doing it as it won't improve someone's performance figures. Ignoring for a moment the threat of some manager having their figures distorted, the decision in the mind of a station attendant to announce "move along the platform" must be made on some grounds - presumably, that the platform is busy AND there appears to be a disparity in the density of people. Surely, therefore, whichever beancounter is employed to check on this should survey it for himself - IF the platform is busy AND there appears to be a disparity AND the member of staff is busy gassing rather than making an announcement; give them a talking to. ELSE what they did was reasonable - rather than insisting that announcements are made irrespective of the conditions. Passengers are becoming accustomed to ignoring announcements because of the high amount of such twaddle which LU insist on broadcasting - an entirely human response. ADMIN: Please you two, no more discussion of this 'cuckoo in the nest' in this thread. It is very distracting and we'll have to lock the whole thread if it digresses further. That'd be a shame coz the rest is very relevant. Thanks guys.
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Post by North End on Jan 10, 2010 0:34:31 GMT
Running the Amershams only to Northwood sounds almost pointless as anyone with any sense would only use the Chiltern trains. Well during the daytime Saturday service I would be inclined to go along with that - BUT - Sundays and evenings the Chilterns run every hour, and even with a change at Northwood it would still be quicker than waiting, and people also want to go to Moor Park. Presumably there's also the benefit that the current rails north of Watford South Junction would also be kept de-iced.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2010 0:35:05 GMT
Indeed, no problems at all tonight that I saw. All went very well indeed (big relief!). EDIT: As MetControl says there was a slight hiccup northbound at one point but for signalling equipment, it did very well indeed
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2010 0:46:47 GMT
I didn't know where the track replacement was going to be - if it's on a covered section then it's still going to happen. If it had been on an open section and work wasn't going to be possible would we still have a closure or is it possible to revert to a normal service at short notice?
I was under the impression that LU was funding Chiltern providing the Marylebone - Harrow shuttle. It seems to me that this would be more useful if it ran Marylebone - Amersham in place of the Met trains Harrow - Amersham, that would certainly provide a better service this weekend.
You're right - in general the service provided is better than elsewhere, especially over the last few days where large parts of the mainline third rail network seem to have struggled. Maybe they should have had LU style de icing equipment on all the new stock built in the last ten years!
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Post by citysig on Jan 10, 2010 8:57:59 GMT
I didn't know where the track replacement was going to be - if it's on a covered section then it's still going to happen. If it had been on an open section and work wasn't going to be possible would we still have a closure or is it possible to revert to a normal service at short notice? No I know you were probably unaware of the actual area of track replacement. I was simply answering the query about the possible implications of the weather. There was no intention on my part to come over as a smart-rear ;D In the (very rare) event that work is properly cancelled - simply because the work cannot be carried out - then it will be dependant on how much notice is given to LU. The forward planning for these works also of course involves train operator duties. These cannot simply be changed back. There was an occasion in the middle part of last year where works affecting the H&C and Circle were cancelled at short notice. Management decided to run the "normal" service instead, and ended up with huge gaps simply because the staff we should have had were not there. This falls to a combination of staff being booked off*, and staff expecting to work duty x,y,z only to find "new" duty a,b,c doesn't fit with meal relief and book on/off times. *Staff are booked off for all sorts of reasons. It means you don't get loads of train operators simply sitting around. It gives opportunity to allow staff to take un-used leave. It allows for "repositioning" from one week of duties to another, by giving a guaranteed rest period. There are other advantages I haven't listed. I was under the impression that LU was funding Chiltern providing the Marylebone - Harrow shuttle. It seems to me that this would be more useful if it ran Marylebone - Amersham in place of the Met trains Harrow - Amersham, that would certainly provide a better service this weekend. However the service is funded, at the end of the day the service uses Chiltern's trains and drivers. So if for example LU approached Chiltern and said "We're shut down from a-c this weekend but can you provide a service b-c," then Chiltern will probably go away, work out what crews and trains it is willing to provide, and return to LU with their initial plan. Let's not forget, Chiltern are a private company, and it is not always best business sense to throw lots of funding to a small shuttle service just because we are shut, when the bulk of their business interest is over the whole route to Birmingham and the north. After all, they have an easy excuse to give their customers: "LU is carrying out engineering works. It's LU's fault we're not running." I'm sure you see what I mean
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