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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2009 16:50:40 GMT
We have to know what's in them, and we don't have spare turns.
As my colleague says, Met drivers all seem to know that this procedure is in place, maybe your LSM should be asked to include it in your 5 day block training.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 9, 2009 17:15:48 GMT
was it realistic to expect every single driver to read the whole thing cover to cover? When my own profession's book of rules is re-issued, we are given a summary of the changes. Saves having to play "spot the difference" |
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Post by mrfs42 on Dec 9, 2009 17:22:23 GMT
was it realistic to expect every single driver to read the whole thing cover to cover? Yes - not immediately by any stretch of the imagination, but in the fullness of time yes. I only say that because I've had a hand in the reissue of a railway rulebook - and it took the best part of a year to get everyone familiarised with the new practices. When my own profession's book of rules is re-issued, we are given a summary of the changes. Saves having to play "spot the difference" Very true - *random historical irrelevancy* I was cataloguing the changes and cover (change) notes to the Metropolitan Rule book between 1933 and 1938 the other night.  |
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Post by pgb on Dec 9, 2009 18:21:05 GMT
Yes - not immediately by any stretch of the imagination, but in the fullness of time yes. I only say that because I've had a hand in the reissue of a railway rulebook - and it took the best part of a year to get everyone familiarised with the new practices. Welcome to my world - although our staff have to sign for each individual change (as well as read the associated risk assessment documentation to go with it!) to say they've read and understood it. Easier that way! |
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Post by mrfs42 on Dec 9, 2009 18:48:00 GMT
Ah - we got away with the recipient signing an undertaking to read the new documentation - which was enough of a thumbscrew.  |
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Post by citysig on Dec 9, 2009 22:25:18 GMT
It's all in the Rule books that everyone was (or should have been) issued. Yes and on the re-issue of the rule book, was it realistic to expect every single driver to read the whole thing cover to cover? As I pointed out in my post, everyone was more than aware of a change in the WDM procedure coming in. The unions and H&S reps had been involved. The gossip was rife. And I would like you, as an active member on here, to deny you knew anything about the change. As I said, this may not be an official source to gain the rules from, but you certainly had a heads up that something was changing. Given that advice, you needed only to check with a DMT / LSM / TOM and read a few lines in just 1 of the Rule Books. |
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Post by Ben on Dec 18, 2009 12:40:25 GMT
On a subject fairly related to the title, I understand that its being looked into that when the met is having a shutdown on the Uxbridge branch for engineering a 4 car A stock set could be run between South Harrow and Uxbridge to boost capacity. This would, of course, use the crossover at South Harrow. I'm a fan of the 'what ifs', but this seems fairly far fetched. Why only four cars for example (barriers?), and how would a pilotman be provided? Whats the story?  |
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Post by Chris M on Dec 18, 2009 13:27:42 GMT
Regarding the pilotman, I would have thought it better in the long term to train at least some Met t/ops on the route. If all they have to learn is Rayners junction to South Harrow crossover and back, then I don't think it would take an excessive amount of training time?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2009 17:30:00 GMT
On a subject fairly related to the title, I understand that its being looked into that when the met is having a shutdown on the Uxbridge branch for engineering a 4 car A stock set could be run between South Harrow and Uxbridge to boost capacity. I would love to know where this has come from as it is a great work of fiction. We have problems enough trying to get a decent 4 car on the Chesham shuttle, let alone have a 4 car sat in Neasden Depot awaiting a shutdown on the Uxbridge branch. Not only that, but by the time a T/Op is found to work this train, the problem will have been dealt with and through services will be running again. Classic! Next thing someone will be posting that 2 Chiltern line diesel sets will be sat in RKY sidings just in case we have power supply problems anywhere! ;D |
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Post by Chris M on Dec 18, 2009 17:55:09 GMT
Actually if you read what Ben posted, this was for (planned) engineering works, not ad hoc service disruptions.
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Post by DWS on Dec 18, 2009 18:19:15 GMT
Actually if you read what Ben posted, this was for (planned) engineering works, not ad hoc service disruptions. If a section of line is closed for engineering works, how can any trains run on that section ? |
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Post by Ben on Dec 18, 2009 18:37:15 GMT
In the past there have been times when the mets service to Uxbridge is out because of engineering, but trains on the pic to Uxbridge have still run, so presumably its for those such occasions. However, it sounds very odd as a suggestion. Where would it stable beforehand, how would the piloting/driving/training work out, why only 4 cars, and why now on the eve of the A stocks demise; etc... Thought I'd raise it though cos it involves A stock over the crossover at South Harrow, and seemed too bizzare a point not to mention!
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Post by Chris M on Dec 18, 2009 18:42:26 GMT
I think it is for when the line is shut in the West Harrow area. Although thinking about it, this would seem to only be of use if South Harrow- Uxbridge is open to traffic and West Harrow and/or Harrow-on-the-Hill is closed to traffic (because presumably in the latter situation at least a shuttle service to HotH would be provided if possible)
This would seem to be a very limited set of circumstances such that it would seem that it would not be economically sensible to spend any significant time, money or effort on a specific solution. If extra capacity is needed (and I have no idea what traffic levels are like on that branch) I'd have thought it would make more sense to arrange an enhanced Picc service, as their drivers already sign the route. It also removes confusion for pax expecting big trains to go to West Harrow and little ones to go to South Harrow when their big train takes them to South Harrow.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2009 21:26:54 GMT
Actually if you read what Ben posted, this was for (planned) engineering works, not ad hoc service disruptions. I stand corrected as i read it as for a shutdown (service disruption). However, he does go on to say that it is rather far fetched and I still say that a 4 car A60 will not be running to South Harrow. As you say, apart from training issues, there would be real confusion with an A60 going onto the Picc in service! |
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Post by citysig on Dec 18, 2009 23:26:49 GMT
If this was seriously being considered, then you would really need more than 1 4-car set. With just one, the so-called increase in capacity would give you around 1 train per hour formed of just 4-cars of A-stock. Hardly worth the bother. As has been said, enhance the Picc service and "squeeze in" the 1 extra train an hour.
Much cheaper and beneficial than training up all drivers (it could be any weekend therefore any driver could end up working it) and organising additional double-ended 4-car sets to work the service.
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Post by Ben on Dec 19, 2009 10:03:18 GMT
First off my apologies, I did mean mean when engineering has closed the Met, not a service disruption. Got my words muddled up, sorry about that!
I'm wondering whether this rumour has its grounds in a misunderstanding/mishearing of what happened to start this thread? Combine it with a manager talking about a what if scenario, perhaps throw in a pinch of route training so that when the Met goes 'S' the route to South Harrow sidings is known... Idle musings though. I agree with linecontroller66 though, I'd love to know its origin, and what, if anything, it evolved from!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2009 15:29:51 GMT
First off my apologies, I did mean mean when engineering has closed the Met, not a service disruption. Got my words muddled up, sorry about that! You did mention engineering work. It was me who overlooked that part of your post. Good job I'm not in charge of running a railway!! ;D |
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Post by westinghouse101 on Dec 23, 2009 17:39:57 GMT
you can reverse at South Harrow you just need a pilot man to take you over the junction back to rayners lane
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