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Post by TMBA on Mar 18, 2008 16:58:13 GMT
Anyone noticed that the flooring on the refurbs has now started to lift  |
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Post by Colin on Mar 18, 2008 19:24:39 GMT
Well they've lasted longer than I expected  ;D ;D ;D C stocks are getting quite bad now too.... |
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Post by District Dave on Mar 18, 2008 19:34:53 GMT
Hopefully our local friendly Project Engineer will spot this thread.
I'm sure he'd appreciate unit numbers?
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Post by Chris W on Mar 18, 2008 19:38:11 GMT
C stocks are getting quite bad now too.... Yes but C stocks have had a few more years to bed in..... like 15 more if my memory serves me right... most D stocks have had just 1 or 2 years in service since refurbishment Are we really going to see cuts and patches on the floors of these refurbs already.... IMO either: - they've fitted the floors badly (seals blowing)
- poor choice of floor fabric in the first place (just look at the 92ts as an example)
- the cattle are spilling more drink/vomiting more
Personally I think its one of the top two options... but more knowledgeable members (LU) please correct me if I'm wrong  I prefer the approach of it's not broken... don't fix it. The maple floors allowed spillages to drain into the gullys... the vinyl flooring just helps to create a slip hazard as liquids pours/drains around the carriage... |
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Post by c5 on Mar 18, 2008 19:44:46 GMT
The Gatwick Express trains have really bad bubbling floors in the door vestibules too. With hazard tape used to keep it under control!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2008 2:02:18 GMT
7012 is particularly bad, it has been so for months.
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Post by towerman on Mar 19, 2008 3:28:11 GMT
The 96TS floors started lifting after about a year.
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Post by Ben on Mar 19, 2008 15:27:15 GMT
So why was Maple wood phased out with the refurbs in favour of lino?
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Post by Tomcakes on Mar 19, 2008 15:31:58 GMT
Is it easier to mop out?
Although, that said, it does mean spillages stay where they can be slipped on, whereas wood flooring directs spills away from peoples feet.
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Post by tubeprune on Mar 19, 2008 15:47:34 GMT
So why was Maple wood phased out with the refurbs in favour of lino? Yes - people were terrified of anything made of wood after King Cross. |
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Post by Tomcakes on Mar 19, 2008 15:48:51 GMT
Didn't they do some testing which showed you would need a huge amount of effort to set fire to the maple flooring, as aside from anything else it was treated with fire-retardant chemicals?
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Post by Chris M on Mar 19, 2008 15:51:48 GMT
I think I remember reading somewhere that the seat upholstery would catch fire long before a wooden floor.
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Post by metman on Mar 19, 2008 16:15:42 GMT
Why don't they just use lino in the same shape as the wood flooring-at least it would divert mess into the grooves!
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Post by Colin on Mar 19, 2008 16:21:22 GMT
Ever been a transport cleaner?
sweeping a grooved floor - indeed moping one is hard work.......especially when you have more than one floor to do in a night.
Anyway, that aside - all of the materials used in the refurb had to be fire resistant; this is easier to achieve using specially made stuff such as lino rather than having to treat wood, then when it wears down to plain wood it has to be treated again..........lino is the way forward ;D ;D ;D
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Post by metman on Mar 19, 2008 16:30:13 GMT
Ever been a transport cleaner? No thankfully! I agree, as long as the flooring stays where it should be!!!  |
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Post by Tomcakes on Mar 19, 2008 20:34:23 GMT
However, on the other side, grooved flooring means that a spill doesn't cause a safety hazard as easy, and thus a train need not be taken out of service.
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Post by Colin on Mar 19, 2008 20:42:20 GMT
Whilst I accept the point about spillages, fire safety takes precedence.
The secondary thing I mentioned, that of cleaning..........how often do spillages actually occur verses how often are the trains swept/mopped at night?
Whilst spillages can be bad enough to take a train out of service, they are not really that common and are way way way down on the list of priorities..........
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2008 21:28:19 GMT
Whilst the D stock certainly has a smooth floor ( I haven't encountered any lifting yet) ... Is the C stock smooth  I can't think now ..... The 1967 stock refurbed trains had the rubber grooved in the same way as the maple floors (two colours used). |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2008 3:00:14 GMT
Whilst I accept the point about spillages, fire safety takes precedence. The secondary thing I mentioned, that of cleaning..........how often do spillages actually occur verses how often are the trains swept/mopped at night? . Refurbs are mopped every night at Upminster and Ealing Common depots. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2008 3:04:02 GMT
Whilst the D stock certainly has a smooth floor ( I haven't encountered any lifting yet) ... Is the C stock smooth I can't think now Tut tut, it can't have been more than a couple of weeks since you took a trainee on a C stock. The floors are ribbed  |
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;D ;D ;D
I can't think now ..... The 1967 stock refurbed trains had the rubber grooved in the same way as the maple floors (two colours used).
