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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2009 22:12:43 GMT
Hi all. I had a suprise today as I drovein a cab down Great Eastern Street. I saw up high perched on what looked like conntainers a couple of old silver jubilee line carriages. I came back later today and took some pictures. I also managed to speak to a staff member who told me that they were used as offices. It is unbelievable that high up in the air are old tube stock trains. The gentleman told me I could come up some day and have a tour around (I will surely take him up on his offer). Apparently they bought them for very cheap but getting them up there/towed was really expensive and ran into around £5000 a car. I spoke to a work colleuge/friend of mine just now and told him about it. My friend has a farm in the west and I actually asked him if I could take a spot for a coule of old stock if I got hold of them to which he replied yes (yepeee). We are both excited and have come up with all sorts of ideas of what we could do with them. My question is where/how can I get hold of them before they get scrapped? I am willing to pay for a couple of carriages and for transporting them. Do I have to contact the LU? If not where do they get scrapped (can I got to the scrapyard and purchase the carriages of the scrappers)? What do you think? Is this a possibility?
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Post by metman on Oct 29, 2009 22:48:04 GMT
Now we're talking!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2009 23:44:17 GMT
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Post by Ben on Oct 30, 2009 0:21:55 GMT
From what I understand, LUL are very sympathetic toward people who wish to reuse the cars instead of scrap them, and there might even be financial implications in this. I believe secondary use is to be pushed quite a bit for the upcomming droves of A stock. Though, of course, the practicallity of finding someone who wants 448 tin sheds is perhaps slight...
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Post by metman on Oct 30, 2009 0:53:58 GMT
Are there any preserved electric railways? I'm sure the A stock can be converted to 3rd rail like Sarah was!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 1:31:12 GMT
Sadly, there are no preserved electric lines. Some preserved railways run their emus with diesels towing them although the preserved MLVs can run so long as the batteries are charged. I always thought that the Lymington branch in the New Forest would make a good preserved electric line. A 4-SUB, 2-BIL, 4-COR or even a modified A60 set could trundle up and down there to its hearts content all day without disturbing the national network.
One hopes that your next residence will have a large garden Metman........
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Post by Ben on Oct 30, 2009 1:49:02 GMT
*cough* Ongar thread in Central Line board *cough*...  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 7:57:56 GMT
*cough* Ongar thread in Central Line board *cough*... The juice rails were ripped up long ago. |
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Post by slugabed on Oct 30, 2009 8:58:19 GMT
I always thought that the Lymington branch in the New Forest would make a good preserved electric line. A 4-SUB, 2-BIL, 4-COR or even a modified A60 set could trundle up and down there to its hearts content all day without disturbing the national network. ....Or how about the Hayes Branch? (....runs for cover!) |
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Post by Ben on Oct 30, 2009 19:03:48 GMT
*cough* Ongar thread in Central Line board *cough*... The juice rails were ripped up long ago. Indeed, however its been related on here that at one point it could have become the first preserved electric railway. Perhaps it could also further a business case for its reopening. However, thats perhaps off topic! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2009 21:59:34 GMT
C F Booths in Rotherham tend to take a lot of old stock off the Underground... indeed the 83ts went there, or at least the majority of it...
I think at one time, LU were paying more for transporting the cars to the scrapyard than they actually got for the scrap value!
Nice idea... it does require a great deal of forward planning; after actually buying them and transporting them to your chosen site, there is the question of groundworks, and getting domestic electrics installed sympathetic to the car interior, then there is looking after it, both short term and long term, after all, do you think your children would want to take the project on? All very serious questions to consider...
If I had some land and a huge pot of gold available, I seriously would have at least a DM car... At present, I don't think Tower Hamlets council would be best pleased with 50ft + of train on one of their main thoroughfares! ;D
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Post by brigham on Apr 24, 2010 16:01:44 GMT
Have you made any further progress with this?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2010 21:12:58 GMT
I've decided to make do with a Luggage Rack... or two.
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Post by Ben on Apr 24, 2010 21:28:29 GMT
Thats an idea. One of the double luggage racks with two umbrella hooks. How much would that be?
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Post by mikebuzz on Apr 26, 2010 22:51:47 GMT
Hi all. I had a suprise today as I drovein a cab down Great Eastern Street. I saw up high perched on what looked like conntainers a couple of old silver jubilee line carriages. I came back later today and took some pictures. I also managed to speak to a staff member who told me that they were used as offices. It is unbelievable that high up in the air are old tube stock trains. The gentleman told me I could come up some day and have a tour around (I will surely take him up on his offer). Apparently they bought them for very cheap but getting them up there/towed was really expensive and ran into around £5000 a car. I spoke to a work colleuge/friend of mine just now and told him about it. My friend has a farm in the west and I actually asked him if I could take a spot for a coule of old stock if I got hold of them to which he replied yes (yepeee). We are both excited and have come up with all sorts of ideas of what we could do with them. My question is where/how can I get hold of them before they get scrapped? I am willing to pay for a couple of carriages and for transporting them. Do I have to contact the LU? If not where do they get scrapped (can I got to the scrapyard and purchase the carriages of the scrappers)? What do you think? Is this a possibility? Your farmer friend might need planning permission too. Anyone remember the carriage cafe at Camden Market? |
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Post by slugabed on Apr 26, 2010 23:22:52 GMT
Yes,an R-Stock car.....
What happened to that one,then?
A thought on planning....if the carriage could be "moveable" then planning permission would probably be much easier,but a word with the local planning office would be a good idea.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2010 7:48:08 GMT
Last seen (some months ago, mind you) was in sidings just west of West Drayton NR station. Haven't been that way lately to see if it is still there. I assume it is 21147 you are referring to?
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Post by neilw on Apr 27, 2010 8:50:24 GMT
planning permission will be required, and I speak from experience!! I had a lot of to-ing and fro-ing with my local council, quite a humourless lot really. I had literally fields of land to put my DM in, but because it wasn't agricultural use, they wouldn't allow it. If it were a shed of equivalent size, it would be quite legal in the garden as a "permitted development". However, a train carriage doesn't count as being for "the beneficial use of the property", hence PP is required. By the way, transportation costs aren't too exorbitant if you speak to David Allely nicely (and he is polite enough not ask why you actually want a tube car in your garden.......)
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Post by brigham on May 4, 2010 11:44:04 GMT
What I had in mind was a heritage project, rather than the purchase of a single carriage for static use. The current 'mixed' economy allows undreamed-of flexibility in operation, which the main-line heritage movement has been making use of for years.
It requires a commercial not-for-profit body, controlled by a charitable trust. The commercial arm (the 'Company') would purchase A60/62 stock directly from service, and contract it back to one of the depots for storage and maintenance. The Company would then liaise with the Underground operating team to arrange paths, crew &..
I don't know offhand how much of the A stock remains serviceable, but I would think somewhere in the region of fifteen sets would be about right for a credible heritage 'presence' on both Met. and District metals. The Company would also be charged with recovering basic spares from withdrawn stock before scrapping, and for arranging storage and refurbishment for same.
A60/62 stock is ideal for a heritage operation. It has the traditional drum-type controller and separate brake valve, and the plain-sided bodywork and spartan interior is suited to the application of heritage liveries. The number of sets preserved, plus the frequency of operation would allow a scaled-down version of the current maintenance regime to continue, allowing skills to be passed-on, rather than lost.
I would expect operations initially to be confined to the summer months, with a basic timetable augmented for special events when appropriate. Five sets could remain in unpainted form, to carry period 'enthusiasts' liveries; five each being allocated to Metropolitan and District, to carry the historic liveries of each company and its constituents.
Funding would be entirely through the charitable trust, which is able to operate outside the parameters of commerce, and is eligible for grants &c..
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Post by metman on May 4, 2010 16:55:31 GMT
I like the sound of this, although the A stock would not fit on much of the district. Virtually the whole fleet is still in service.
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Post by brigham on May 5, 2010 8:29:57 GMT
I didn't realise that! I'd always assumed that it was only a matter of allocation. What are the gauging problems for A stock on the District?
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Post by metman on May 5, 2010 9:00:54 GMT
The A60/62 trains are 9'8'' wide, which is too wide for some parts of the railway.
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Post by ruislip on May 5, 2010 16:43:57 GMT
The A60/62 trains are 9'8'' wide, which is too wide for some parts of the railway. Isn't that the widest in the UK, even greater than NR trains? |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2010 16:42:17 GMT
The A60/62 trains are 9'8'' wide, which is too wide for some parts of the railway. Isn't that the widest in the UK, even greater than NR trains? I thought that too. |
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Post by metman on May 9, 2010 17:44:12 GMT
Yes, they are the widest trains in Britain!
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Post by mrfs42 on May 9, 2010 18:34:51 GMT
Yes, they are the widest trains in Britain! Er... Wider even than that broad gauge thing Firefly at Didcot? |
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Post by metman on May 9, 2010 18:52:04 GMT
edit post to 'standard gauge' trains in Britain! ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2010 19:58:44 GMT
I'd love to have a D78 DM in the garden, but I can't imagine how much it'd cost to transport it to Norway  ;D |
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