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Post by The Tram Man on Oct 23, 2009 22:55:26 GMT
How many units of 1960-stock remain?
I already know of the Cravens unit and the TRC.
And im talking about not preserved vehicles. I remember seeing a picture of some units abandoned in a forest somewere.
Anybody know anything more about that?
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Post by metman on Oct 23, 2009 23:08:20 GMT
There are 4 cars remaining. 2 driving motors form part of the CH set and the other two are part of the track recording train.
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Post by Ben on Oct 23, 2009 23:32:52 GMT
The cab of a further car remains.
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Post by ruislip on Oct 23, 2009 23:41:07 GMT
Doesn't the Cravens Heritage unit hibernate in either Ruislip or Hainault depot?
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Post by The Tram Man on Oct 24, 2009 9:10:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2009 9:29:57 GMT
CHTs 1960 Stock unit is currently at Northfields. Apart from the Track Recording Train's two Cravens motor cars, no others remain on LU. The cab of one (3911) is at the Buckinghamshire Railway Centre at Quainton Road.
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Post by The Tram Man on Oct 24, 2009 9:33:30 GMT
So the units on the pics are gone?
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Post by Ben on Oct 24, 2009 12:24:16 GMT
Well the first one is. That and the remaining converted '38ts trailers were scrapped in... 2006... was it?
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Post by The Tram Man on Oct 24, 2009 15:22:20 GMT
So sad...
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Post by North End on Oct 24, 2009 15:26:35 GMT
Well the first one is. That and the remaining converted '38ts trailers were scrapped in... 2006... was it? According to my notes, the disposal dates & locations for 1960 stock are as follows: 3900 05/1989 C.F.Booth, Rotherham 3902 04/1995 Mayer Parry Recycling, Snailwell 3903 04/1995 Mayer Parry Recycling, Snailwell 3904 05/1989 C.F.Booth, Rotherham 3906 05/1995 Cravens Heritage Trains 3907 05/1995 Cravens Heritage Trains 3908 11/2001 C.F.Booth, Rotherham 3909 11/2001 C.F.Booth, Rotherham 3910 01/1983 C.F.Booth, Rotherham 3911 01/1983 C.F.Booth, Rotherham 4900 08/1983 C.F.Booth, Rotherham 4901 08/1983 C.F.Booth, Rotherham 4902 01/1978 Birds, Long Marston 4903 01/1978 Birds, Long Marston 4904 08/1983 C.F.Booth, Rotherham 4905 08/1983 C.F.Booth, Rotherham 4906 08/1977 Birds, Long Marston 4907 08/1977 Birds, Long Marston 4908 12/1975 Kings, Snailwell 4909 12/1975 Kings, Snailwell 4910 03/1980 Resco, Woolwich at Ruislip depot 4911 02/1980 Resco, Woolwich at Ruislip depot 4921 11/2001 C.F.Booth, Rotherham 4927 05/1995 Cravens Heritage Trains 012229 4929 11/2001 C.F.Booth, Rotherham The only two other 1960 stock vehicles in existance are the two DM cars forming part of the Track Recording Train (3901/3905), and their days must surely be numbered. |
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Post by The Tram Man on Oct 24, 2009 15:44:39 GMT
Now im confused again. What happened to this one: 4927 05/1995 Cravens Heritage Trains 012229? Scrapped or preserved?
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Post by North End on Oct 24, 2009 16:21:58 GMT
Now im confused again. What happened to this one: 4927 05/1995 Cravens Heritage Trains 012229? Scrapped or preserved? 3906-4927-3907 is the unit preserved by CHT, currently located at Northfields. 05/1995 is the official date of sale from LUL to CHT. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 24, 2009 17:26:25 GMT
Now im confused again. What happened to this one: 4927 05/1995 Cravens Heritage Trains 012229? Scrapped or preserved? 3906-4927-3907 is the unit preserved by CHT, currently located at Northfields. 05/1995 is the official date of sale from LUL to CHT. 012229 is its original (1938 stock) number |
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Post by The Tram Man on Oct 24, 2009 17:27:36 GMT
Oh so its the trailer. Oh i see.
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Post by Ben on Oct 24, 2009 17:40:59 GMT
Sorry, was thinking of 2001 instead of 2006. Was in an UN edition. Its a pity that all the spare 1938 trailers have now gone.
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Post by ruislip on Oct 24, 2009 18:01:15 GMT
Could lines like the Bakerloo and Northern have benefited from mass production of the 60s in order to displace 38s later on? I ask this knowing that the Central decided to go with 62s that were an extension of the 59s.
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Post by The Tram Man on Oct 24, 2009 18:15:21 GMT
...Its a pity that all the spare 1938 trailers have now gone. Yeah. Even the spare shell at IOW... I dont want to change the subject but how many 1938-trailers did IOW have? |
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Post by Ben on Oct 24, 2009 18:23:17 GMT
Possibly, but then again the 60ts design was about a decade too early to be a replacement for the 38ts; or rather by the time the future of the 38ts was being questioned things had moved on. In much the same way that the 62ts design was chosen because of urgency and the fact it had already been used and experienced the 67ts design was repeated for the 72ts.
It would be interesting to speculate on whether the 1960ts would still be running today if it had become the main fleet of the Central, albeit with matching trailers built at some point.
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Post by Ben on Oct 24, 2009 18:28:21 GMT
No trailers went to the IOW. I believe that some were bought by NSE as part of the units the DMs came from but they were further sold for scrap. Were the two shells you reffer to in St. Johns car park? Managed to take a close look at them several years ago. They were both DMs; still had LT numbering and writing on the inside of the cabs. Even had the last overhaul date stenciled onto the front!
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Post by The Tram Man on Oct 24, 2009 19:01:39 GMT
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Post by Ben on Oct 24, 2009 22:12:19 GMT
Oooooooh, those were DMs taken out of service surplus to requirements and scrapped in 2006, and there would have been a 4th one out of shot of that picture.
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Post by The Tram Man on Oct 24, 2009 22:34:25 GMT
Ok. Now we have that cleared up. There were no 38-stock trailers at IOW.
I got that from a website, which name i cant remember. I have a bad memory but i think it said something like "...a DM and a T are seen here at Ryde St. Johns Road after being taken out of service."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2009 8:47:02 GMT
Possibly, but then again the 60ts design was about a decade too early to be a replacement for the 38ts; or rather by the time the future of the 38ts was being questioned things had moved on. In much the same way that the 62ts design was chosen because of urgency and the fact it had already been used and experienced the 67ts design was repeated for the 72ts. It would be interesting to speculate on whether the 1960ts would still be running today if it had become the main fleet of the Central, albeit with matching trailers built at some point. What was the relationship between the 1960 and 1967 stocks? I've always thought (without much knowledge) that the 1967 stock was very much a developed "production" version of the 1960 stock. Had the 1960 stock project been persevered with for the Central 'standard' stock replacement (rather than adoption of the 1962 stock), would the production trains been 1960 stock (as built), or a somewhat developed '1963' (?) stock. I certainly feel there would have been second thoughts over reusing >30 year old trailers... |
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Post by metman on Oct 25, 2009 9:12:39 GMT
Just to clear it up, the IOW was going to use 2 car (DM-DM) and 3 car (DM-T-DM) as separate trains and run 5 cars in the 'peaks'! 3 car trains would have meant that the depot would need extension, so 2 car units were decided upon.
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Post by The Tram Man on Oct 25, 2009 14:57:24 GMT
Ok. Now lets never speak of it again. Not here atleast.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2010 22:54:53 GMT
Hi As far as i know the 1960 ts is at Northfields, is the stock likely to be taken out on a trip/tour by the museum in the forth coming years. ?
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Post by elo10538 on Jan 28, 2010 15:55:13 GMT
In reply to ' bones ', the Craven Unit at Northfields is shortly to have braking components re-fitted after their return from overhaul. I believe it is certainly the intention of Cravens Heritage Trains to return the Craven Unit to the Network to run further railtours again once properly certificated, hopefully in the near future.
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Post by metman on Jan 28, 2010 17:17:52 GMT
The 1967 stock was really a cross between the 1952 stock (never built) and the 1960 stock. It used all the experienced gained over the past ten years to build it.
I expect proper 1960 trailers would have been built at some stage when the project got the go ahead, and no they wouldn't be in service still - no way!
Did the 1960s cars have compressors when built?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2010 18:09:13 GMT
As far as I can remember the 1960 DMs never had compressors, only the (converted) trailers.
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Post by metman on Jan 28, 2010 19:08:31 GMT
So does the TRT 1973 trailer have two compressors then?
I imagine, the single 1938 trailer later added to the Woodford sets was one of the Northern Line trailers that came with 2 compressors?
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