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Post by Chris W on Oct 11, 2009 18:49:20 GMT
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metman
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Post by metman on Oct 11, 2009 19:27:19 GMT
I believe there were originally 2 4TCs. They are not EMUs of course, but merely a 4 car coach set with a driving trailer at each end.
This set captured is: 413 made up of cars 8012, 8013, 8015 and 8027
It is supposed to be restored!
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Post by andypurk on Oct 11, 2009 19:30:39 GMT
LU originally had 2 x 4 car TC sets (not in their original formations) with the following coaches.
TBSKs: 70823, 70824
TCKs: 70855, 71163
DTSOs: 76297, 76298, 76322, 76324
Of these, 70823, 71163, 76297 and 76324 have been retained and repainted into the fake wood effect.
70855 never, to my knowledge, ran in passenger service with LU. The Steam on the Met trains were normally longer than four coaches, with each TC rake having extra Mk 1 and/or Mk IIs on hire.
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Post by Ben on Oct 11, 2009 20:31:10 GMT
Not sure the extra coaches were on hire. London Underground Rolling Stock 14th ed. implies that they were owned by LUL as part of their Heritage fleet.
There were 3 TSOs, 2 TBSKs, 2 TFKs, 4 DTSOs and one BSK; the first coach to be acquired in 1988 (977588 - departmental number?).
70855 was the oldest of all the coaches, beiung built in 1952.
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Post by andypurk on Oct 11, 2009 22:12:44 GMT
Not sure the extra coaches were on hire. London Underground Rolling Stock 14th ed. implies that they were owned by LUL as part of their Heritage fleet. There were 3 TSOs, 2 TBSKs, 2 TFKs, 4 DTSOs and one BSK; the first coach to be acquired in 1988 (977588 - departmental number?). 70855 was the oldest of all the coaches, beiung built in 1952. The other vehicles used on Steam on the Met were: BSK665 (numbered 977588 ex Mk 1 BSK 35011) TSO667 (numbered 977547 ex Mk 2c TSO 6411, renumbered back to 6411 before the '94 season). These two were LUL brake force runners, registered on the National system as well. 5458, 5495 and 5497, Mk 2b TSOs. It was these last three which I'd remembered as being hired, but they do appear to have been owned by LU and then sold on for preservation when they'd finished with them. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 11, 2009 22:35:08 GMT
This set captured is: 413 made up of cars 8012, 8013, 8015 and 8027 Where do those coach numbers come from? They are not LT numbers: the 80xx series was used for pre 1930s District Line trailers, and re-used for D stock NDMs. They were not BR numbers either. Other posters have already given these, they were all in the 7xxxx series for emu trailer vehicles. The 80xx series was used for the TC sets' unit numbers. Originally 401-432, they were renumbered late in life to the (43)80xx series to reflect their TOPS classification of 438. (All SR trailer sets were classified 4x8: e.g. the Gatwick Express class 488s, numbered in the 82xx and 83xx series) |
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Post by andypurk on Oct 11, 2009 23:36:09 GMT
This set captured is: 413 made up of cars 8012, 8013, 8015 and 8027 Where do those coach numbers come from? They are not LT numbers: the 80xx series was used for pre 1930s District Line trailers, and re-used for D stock NDMs. I think the original poster missed a couple of words, the sentence should read: ... 413 made up of cars FROM UNITs 8012, 8013, 8015 and 8027 capitals for emphasis. Although the history of the coaches is somewhat more complex as some were also incorporated in the 4 and 6 car REP formations formed during build of the 442s and electrification to Weymouth. So 70824, 71163, 76322, 76324 all spent time in 6 REP 1901 (76322 and 76324 were also in this unit as a 4 REP) and 70824 was also in 4TCT unit 8106. The other coaches remained in 4TC unit 8015. |
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Post by geebeezed on Oct 12, 2009 15:52:03 GMT
www.4tc.org.uk might be enlightening.... Although they don't seem to be making much progress.... I'd at least have given the thing a coat of paint. Its really not in as bad condition as the photos suggest! 
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