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Post by andypurk on Oct 11, 2009 17:21:03 GMT
Was quite surprised this afternoon to pass 313 112 and 313 1?? (didn't get the rear unit as I was on the 17.14 LM departure) arriving at Euston at 17.16 this afternoon on the shuttle from Willesden Junction. There seemed to be passengers in both units.
The other shuttle train seemed to be 313 122, at least I saw this at about the right time running behind Willesden Depot.
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Post by dazz285 on Oct 11, 2009 19:28:25 GMT
Couldn't have been in service as this is not allowed without a guard and as far as I'm aware no guards still sign the D.C.
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Post by andypurk on Oct 11, 2009 19:38:13 GMT
Couldn't have been in service as this is not allowed without a guard and as far as I'm aware no guards still sign the D.C. It definitely looked in service and was at exactly the right time with, as I said, passengers in both halves. With the reduced service (DC only Euston - Willesden) is it possible that a spare driver could act as guard, or a manager? Alternatively, guards may have been retrained on the DC lines for potential use of 378s before the DOO problems are sorted, I've certainly seen that some of the 6-car stop markers have been renewed recently. |
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Post by dazz285 on Oct 11, 2009 19:52:33 GMT
The timetabled arrival times are 08 and 40 past the hour so this seems to have possibly been a 6 car empties from the TMD.
As far as I'm aware, and Routemasterkeith might back me up, no guards sign the D.C. and a manager working on a Sunday??? doubt that ;-)
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Post by andypurk on Oct 11, 2009 20:40:39 GMT
The timetabled arrival times are 08 and 40 past the hour so this seems to have possibly been a 6 car empties from the TMD. As far as I'm aware, and Routemasterkeith might back me up, no guards sign the D.C. and a manager working on a Sunday??? doubt that ;-) Well, the 15.08 arrival wasn't in Euston when the 17.14 LM service left. If it had have been, then I would have mentioned it, instead there were lots of punters hanging around on platform 9. Anyway, the working timetable arrival times (the public arrival times are xx.14 and xx.44) are rarely kept on a Sunday, as the service gets extremely busy in the afternoon, due in part to there being no NLL services. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2009 22:36:05 GMT
I can categorically say that the only section of line Guards sign on the DC is Between Hampstead Tunnel and Willesden Junction ONLY. It would also be VERY unlikely that Managers would also be on duty as there was very little LOROL services running today anyway. If indeed a train operated from Willesden junction to Euston as a six car i would want to know if indeed a Guard was used, and i am sure that if it operated as a six car without a Guard i am sure Somerset Chris would be very interested to know.
But thanks for the heads up, pity i am off all week as i wont find out what really took place, i am meeting the MD on Friday i suppose i could mention it to him and see what his response is.
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Post by andypurk on Oct 11, 2009 22:58:44 GMT
I did wonder if there had been a unit failure, as the spare unit which is often to be found on the platform 9 buffer stops (out of use) on Sundays was missing this afternoon.
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Post by andypurk on Oct 11, 2009 23:12:44 GMT
I can categorically say that the only section of line Guards sign on the DC is Between Hampstead Tunnel and Willesden Junction ONLY. Hmm, if you meant from Camden Road - Primrose Hill - Willesden Junction, I would understand, but Hampstead Tunnel to Willesden Junction isn't on DC, except the last bit if running into Willesden Junction Low Level. If you did mean via Primrose Hill, then maybe a guard could cover the station stops, as only Euston would be missing (service was Euston - Willesden only) and trains are dispatched by platform staff at Euston (there are no mirrors for one person operation). It would be great if you could find out what was actually going on. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2009 9:00:41 GMT
I can categorically say that the only section of line Guards sign on the DC is Between Hampstead Tunnel and Willesden Junction ONLY. It would also be VERY unlikely that Managers would also be on duty as there was very little LOROL services running today anyway. If indeed a train operated from Willesden junction to Euston as a six car i would want to know if indeed a Guard was used, and i am sure that if it operated as a six car without a Guard i am sure Somerset Chris would be very interested to know. But thanks for the heads up, pity i am off all week as i wont find out what really took place, i am meeting the MD on Friday i suppose i could mention it to him and see what his response is. Keith, I am also off for the next couple of weeks as well |
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Post by Chris M on Oct 12, 2009 10:35:53 GMT
That's not a 6-car formation, that's two 3-car units on the same platform. Something that in my limited experience is relatively common at Richmond.
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Post by andypurk on Oct 12, 2009 11:47:45 GMT
That's not a 6-car formation, that's two 3-car units on the same platform. Something that in my limited experience is relatively common at Richmond. And also quite common at Euston, usually accompanied by passengers running and missing the train after they failed to realise that the rear unit is out of service. Tuesday last week (6th October), 378 016 was on the buffers, in platform 9, with the service 313 in front. |
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Post by 1938 on Oct 12, 2009 12:12:23 GMT
That's not a 6-car formation, that's two 3-car units on the same platform. Something that in my limited experience is relatively common at Richmond. Agreed. I have never seen a 2-train formation at Richmond. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 12, 2009 18:06:15 GMT
That's not a 6-car formation, that's two 3-car units on the same platform. . Couldn't the second one to arrive have stopped a bit closer to the first? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2009 22:12:37 GMT
Hi,
I believe I can explain exactly what happened yesterday.
313122: 2C23 (1552 Willesden Jn LL to Euston) suffered a tripcock activation shortly after leaving Willesden Jn LL bay and was stranded in a dead section and had to be rescued from the rear by 2C24 (1622 Willesden Jn LL to Euston). The rescue train driver acting as conductor. 2C23 arrived into Euston 70 mins late.
Ironically the exact same thing happenen earlier with 2C20 (1422 Willesden Jn LL to Euston) having to be rescued by 2C21 (1452 Willesden Jn LL to Euston).
Not sure why this all happenened but it seemed to have been cleared up by 1800.
Hope this explains yesterdays fun and games.
Regards
Martin
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Post by andypurk on Oct 13, 2009 12:15:57 GMT
Thanks for the information Martin. Glad to see that I wasn't hallucinating.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2009 14:02:52 GMT
i am meeting the MD on Friday. How is Mr. Murphy these days? When he worked for Irish Rail he was a top man. |
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