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Post by Oracle on Oct 7, 2009 18:25:52 GMT
On 11th October THE ETON RIFLES tour will run:
1Z77
1532 dep Shepperton
15/49 pass Kingston
1606 dep Wimbledon (arr 15/59)
16/14 pass East Putney
16/21 pass Clapham Jn
1633 arr Waterloo
The train will be 2 x Class 73s topping and tailing the Hastings set 1001.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2009 21:51:17 GMT
Not 2x73s anymore! Its going to be like this: 73213 (First GBRF livery)+73212 (Yellow)+Thumper+73141 (First GBRf livery) I've been told that it would be nice for those who are going to see it to donate some money for the Help the Heroes charity through this -> www.justgiving.com/GBRf-train/ |
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Post by Oracle on Oct 11, 2009 7:34:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2009 16:02:32 GMT
For those who probably were going to see the train on the District Line:
Unfortunately the leading 73 and the Thumper had a minor derailment at Windsor and the tour was cancelled there.
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Post by Oracle on Oct 11, 2009 20:52:27 GMT
I mentioned it to a chap whom I know who is based at Waterloo...I gathered from RUKF that this has also happened about three months ago...contact said that he was off for a few days and was glad that he had heard. Did they use the locos to pull the train back?
As mentioned before at least one LMR (not WR) I think Blue Pullman set has run PP Junction to Wimbledon in the dim and distant past.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2009 22:03:49 GMT
Yep, 22:35 Windsor-Hastings Empty. 73212+73213+Thumper+73141
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Post by Oracle on Oct 12, 2009 8:10:15 GMT
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Post by Chris M on Oct 12, 2009 16:18:39 GMT
For those who probably were going to see the train on the District Line: Unfortunately the leading 73 and the Thumper had a minor derailment at Windsor and the tour was cancelled there. The RAIB are investigating this incident, www.raib.gov.uk/publications/current_investigations_register/091011_windsor_and_eton.cfm contains a few more details. As this is only very tangentially related to the District Line, any further discussion of the incident will (in my non-admin, non-mod opinion) almost certainly be better in a different part of the forum. |
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Post by Phil on Oct 15, 2009 11:05:24 GMT
As this is only very tangentially related to the District Line, any further discussion of the incident will (in my non-admin, non-mod opinion) almost certainly be better in a different part of the forum. Absolutely right!  |
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Post by happybunny on Oct 15, 2009 17:11:46 GMT
I understand mainline trains are limited to 30mph on the East Put - Wim area, I also understand this is because there is not enough electricity for them to run any faster and the LUL trains running at 45mph too.
If a NR diesel train runs on this section would it be exempt from the 30mph restriction and be able to run at 45 ?
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Post by 21146 on Oct 15, 2009 17:49:00 GMT
Well you could certainly get C Stock up to around 60 mph on that branch with the 3-aspect signalling providing adequate warning of the state of the road ahead.
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Post by Colin on Oct 17, 2009 9:16:53 GMT
I understand mainline trains are limited to 45mph on the East Put - Wim area, I also understand this is because there is not enough electricity for them to run any faster and the LUL trains running at 45mph too. If a NR diesel train runs on this section would it be exempt from the 30mph restriction and be able to run at 45 ? You say, incorrectly in the first sentence, that 'mainline trains' run at 45mph - then you contradict yourself in the second sentence by asking if NR diesels can be exempted from the 30mph limit! To clarify, the speed limit on the Point Pleasant to Wimbledon section of the District line is 30mph. C * and D stocks can do 45mph where indicated by the split speed limit signs: * - see below Well you could certainly get C Stock up to around 60 mph on that branch with the 3-aspect signalling providing adequate warning of the state of the road ahead. In the past maybe, but the line speed for LU stock is 45mph; and in any case, C stocks these days are limited to 40mph. |
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Post by happybunny on Oct 17, 2009 14:53:23 GMT
Yeah sorry Colin I did a typo and it was meant to read:
"I understand mainline trains are limited to 30mph on the East Put - Wim area"
I have corrected it now, and sincerely apologise for any misunderstanding in my post.
I also fully understand the the speed limit for trains other than LUL stock is 30mph, but my question was why? AIUI it is due to the drain on power that NR stock has, when traveling over 30mph, causing overloads to go and a loss of TC.. surely this isn't a problem with diesel units though!
Or , is there any other reasons NR stock is limited to 30 ?
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Post by Colin on Oct 17, 2009 16:29:39 GMT
It is my understanding that the speed differential has nothing to do with power but everything to do with braking.
As you'll know from your stock training, LU stocks have superior braking systems and thus we can stop much more quickly than a NR train. D stocks only use steps 1,2 and 4 of the 7 step relay, for example, whereas NR trains have to use all 7 steps (where they have it fitted) - that's why we can stop quicker.
So to mitigate against the differences in braking capacities, NR trains have to run slower .
Like I say, that is my understanding...
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Post by happybunny on Oct 17, 2009 17:25:04 GMT
I dunno, I have had some D Stocks lately where I have almost had to put my foot out the cab door and drag it along the ground to make the dam thing stop in time!!!!
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Post by 21146 on Oct 18, 2009 17:00:42 GMT
I see that there are still regular ECS workings to and from Wimbledon depot via East Putney in the District Line WTT, what class(es) are these nowadays?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2009 17:28:58 GMT
I believe they are class 455 and 450's. I'm nor sure if they do any passenger workings. I was on one of them a few months back. The 00.42 departure from waterloo to surbiton if I remember rightly.
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Post by andypurk on Oct 18, 2009 17:45:16 GMT
I believe they are class 455 and 450's. I'm nor sure if they do any passenger workings. I was on one of them a few months back. The 00.42 departure from waterloo to surbiton if I remember rightly. The following passenger trains are timetabled to cover the route (from the Passenger Services over Unusual Lines website) 0454 SuX Basingstoke - Waterloo 0105 Waterloo - Southampton Central 0042 Waterloo - Strawberry Hill |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2009 17:59:52 GMT
I've been on the 00.42 departure more recently but it went straight from clapham junction to wimbledon through earlsfield.
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Post by 21146 on Oct 18, 2009 18:24:30 GMT
These are the M-F 'daylight' workings - Up Road/EB 0957, 1628 (times at Wim Pk); Down Road/WB 0840, 0910, 0927, 0942, 1040, 1156, 1222, 1556 (times at East Put).
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Post by Oracle on Oct 18, 2009 18:28:37 GMT
Thanks for the latter! The last Up Weymouth to Waterloo can go via Addlestone and the Windsor Lines or via Wimbledon-Point Pleasant Junction if there are engineering works.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 18, 2009 19:24:54 GMT
I see that there are still regular ECS workings to and from Wimbledon depot via East Putney in the District Line WTT, what class(es) are these nowadays? 450, 455, occasional 458. Rarely 444. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2009 16:12:58 GMT
Would the 444s be too long in the body or are they the same length as the 450s? I cannot remember the 442s being allowed over there for the same reason.
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Post by andypurk on Oct 20, 2009 18:24:33 GMT
Would the 444s be too long in the body or are they the same length as the 450s? I cannot remember the 442s being allowed over there for the same reason. Class 442s are allowed over the route with restrictions (these being: Wimbledon Park Down Platform 10mph speed limit and not allowed into platforms 1-3 at Wimbledon). Class 444 seem to be fully cleared. Source, National Electronic Sectional Appendix, Wessex Route. www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/baseline%20capability/gauge%20capability,%20route%20availability/wessex%20route/table%20d2_gauge%20capability_emus_wessex%20route.pdf |
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Post by Oracle on Oct 20, 2009 21:49:14 GMT
Yes, 442s used to run if required on the last Up Weymouth-Waterloo, if as mentioned before, overnight engineering works required it. Or so I gathered from a Guard who used to do the route. In the other direction the 0105 Waterloo-Southampton Central was a 442 booking before withdrawal.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 20, 2009 22:23:09 GMT
Would the 444s be too long in the body or are they the same length as the 450s? No, they're longer, by about 25%: 2x5-coach 444 is the same length as a 3x4-coach 450 |
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Post by Oracle on Nov 6, 2009 6:51:07 GMT
From GENSHEET: The correspondent thought that this was the case: 00:27 to Surbiton is diverted via Mount Pleasant Jct and Wimbledon on 08/11/09, |
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Post by 21146 on Nov 6, 2009 17:43:51 GMT
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Post by Oracle on Nov 6, 2009 22:43:03 GMT
Nice one! Well done!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2009 14:59:25 GMT
It is my understanding that the speed differential has nothing to do with power but everything to do with braking. As you'll know from your stock training, LU stocks have superior braking systems and thus we can stop much more quickly than a NR train. D stocks only use steps 1,2 and 4 of the 7 step relay, for example, whereas NR trains have to use all 7 steps (where they have it fitted) - that's why we can stop quicker. So to mitigate against the differences in braking capacities, NR trains have to run slower . Like I say, that is my understanding... I wish I could remember in which book of railway history I read: The first problem with the steam locomotive was to make it go. The second was to make it stop. ;D |
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