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Post by edwin on Dec 30, 2007 2:36:15 GMT
It mentions an eye hospital? It mays well mention a chippy round the corner...
Seriously, who an earth decided to have so many announcements? The ones at Earl's Cort on the Piccadilly line make me feel as if i'm about to be told to go home to my mummy and play with some lego. And the ones at Finchley Road constantly overlap like some god awful dance track.
Another point: BRING BACK THE STERN 'MIND THE GAP' ANNOUNCEMENT!
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Post by superteacher on Dec 30, 2007 11:12:49 GMT
The point is - people hearing constant announcements just switch off anyway, so these DVA's are not fulfilling their objective of providing more information.
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Post by Alight on Jan 2, 2008 19:20:18 GMT
The District Line train I was on today still used "Alight" instead of "Exit" but at Tower Hill everything was not included except for the DLR and National Rail.
So it wasn't as bad as many of you make out; all it was was:
"Please Mind the Gap between the train and the platform. This is Tower Hill. Change here for the DLR from Tower Gateway and National rail services from Fenchurch Street"
The sound system too was superior - speakers I recon evenly distributed with a suitable volume; it matched Piccadilly quality. When compared to other lines in particular the Bakerloo and Victoria which only provide speakers in the seating areas.
But the Emma Clarkes sounded very different to the ones on the Bakerloo/Victoria Line?
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In addition I can announce the Northern Line does have Moorfield eye hospital as a "change".
I believe this makes the Central Line the only to not have any exits correct me if Im wrong? (Not including met or W&C)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2008 19:57:45 GMT
The District Line train I was on today still used "Alight" instead of "Exit" but at Tower Hill everything was not included except for the DLR and National Rail. So it wasn't as bad as many of you make out; all it was was: "Please Mind the Gap between the train and the platform. This is Tower Hill. Change here for the DLR from Tower Gateway and National rail services from Fenchurch Street" Sounds like you got the shorter "peak hour" version. |
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Post by Alight on Jan 2, 2008 20:06:50 GMT
But it had alights before?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2008 20:09:33 GMT
But it had alights before? I believe so, in fact I don't think the D stocks have changed. They are due an update very soon for the East London closure, so it may change then. I expect London Overground will make it's debut in the announcements at the same time. |
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Post by Alight on Jan 2, 2008 20:35:19 GMT
But it had alights before? I believe so, in fact I don't think the D stocks have changed. They are due an update very soon for the East London closure, so it may change then. I expect London Overground will make it's debut in the announcements at the same time. For the LO probably when tht enew sotock arrives. Picc will need to update some recordings for the Heathows in March 2008. Regarding D Stock, I meant it had alights for my jouney before I got to Tower hill. I dont know if this was an error anyhow as I assumed they had changed them for exits since It uses the same system as the C stock I should think (only including a DMI). Dot Matrix is very good with its single station name and then the terminus (like the Jubilee) as this is really what we need these days compared to lengthy chunks of text. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2008 20:48:54 GMT
Regarding D Stock, I meant it had alights for my jouney before I got to Tower hill. I dont know if this was an error anyhow as I assumed they had changed them for exits since It uses the same system as the C stock I should think (only including a DMI). No, the D stock system is completely different from that on C stock. |
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Post by Alight on Jan 3, 2008 20:14:56 GMT
The reason why I assumed is because the I'm sure the C stock Wimbledon to Edgware Road sevices sound exactly the same as the D stock? (because they are naming the same stations).
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Post by Colin on Jan 4, 2008 2:23:55 GMT
It might sound the same, but as 'adw' says, any similarity stops there  The D stock system is very different and automatically has short announcements at stations like Southfields, Westminster & Tower Hill during peak times and early mornings/evenings. You will only hear the longer announcements with all the touristy stuff on a D stock during the daytime off peak period. |
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Post by towerman on Jan 4, 2008 2:31:25 GMT
I see the DVA on the C stock for King's Cross has changed to "Alight here for the National Institute for blind people"
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Post by Alight on Jan 4, 2008 16:09:37 GMT
I actually was mainly refering to them sounding exactly the same as I knew they had technically a different type system. They all stress the line names "DISTRICT" for example and are much different to Emma Clarke's on the Central, Victoria and Bakerloo Lines. But yeah probably slightly different
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You are bloody joking me!? Even the British museum was a better option! I mean they got rid of university college hospital at Warren Street because they realised it didn't really apply to the entire 7 million people in London. Now I know some may call me discriminative towards Blind people and the like but I expect my house to be mentioned at piccadilly station x if their going to do that! Its just simply too long sorry! (In fact I think they've taken it away anyways on the Piccadilly last 5 times Ive been there)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2008 17:31:37 GMT
But, for people with sight difficulties who want to get there... ?
It could be very helpful, could it not?
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Post by Alight on Jan 4, 2008 19:40:53 GMT
But, for people with sight difficulties who want to get there... ? It could be very helpful, could it not? To be honest with you it is not a tourist attraction It would be and I can see the intention (despite the dmi displaying it) but they fail to mention the H&M at High Street Kensington which could be very helpful. Whatsmore they fail to mention my favourite fish and chip shop at Arnos Grove! IO agree with the top post on the page by Edwin with this sort of argument. Sorry I couldn't of been more kind ! |
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Post by c5 on Jan 4, 2008 19:48:19 GMT
But, for people with sight difficulties who want to get there... ? It could be very helpful, could it not? To be honest with you it is not a tourist attraction It would be and I can see the intention (despite the dmi displaying it) but they fail to mention the H&M at High Street Kensington which could be very helpful. Whatsmore they fail to mention my favourite fish and chip shop at Arnos Grove! IO agree with the top post on the page by Edwin with this sort of argument. Sorry I couldn't of been more kind ! But people come from all over the country to go to Moorfields Eye Hospital. They might not ba able to have someone help them on their way there or afford a taxi. Having an Audio Announcement for a place for Visually Impaired people is probably one of the useful announcements I think. As fellow staff will know, most regular VIPs (Tube speak for blind people) will know exactly where to stand and will count their stops. Newbies won't find it quite so easy. |
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Post by Alight on Jan 4, 2008 19:59:31 GMT
Indeed the DVA does have uses. Agreed.
(but don't think you've won this time ;D ;D)!
Afterall the Picc has only recently got a DVA and the Met has none. In fact to my knowlege its only really been the last 2 years ive ever noticed DVAs (although based on forum messages the Central, Northern and Jubilee have had them for ages but I hadn't really noticed them).
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Post by superteacher on Jan 4, 2008 23:37:10 GMT
Most blind people are very aware of their route because they have to be. Anyone who intends to go to Moorfields will know what station they have to go to anyway, so the annoucement about the hospital is not necessary. Can you imagine someone sitting on the train at Old Street, hearing the announcement and then jumping out of their seat saying "that's me - I need to get off here!" By the time the hospital is announced, any intending passenger will be half way off the train. So again, it's pointless and totally unnecessary.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2008 23:55:29 GMT
Hey, new C stock lady and her 'exits'.... please correct me if I am wrong - how do you pronounce this word? I was under the impression it was 'ex - it' , however, my DVA lady insists on saying 'EGG - SIT' . Egg-sit??? Sounds like a broody hen to me!
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Post by District Dave on Jan 9, 2008 16:43:08 GMT
Hey, new C stock lady and her 'exits'.... please correct me if I am wrong - how do you pronounce this word? I was under the impression it was 'ex - it' , however, my DVA lady insists on saying 'EGG - SIT' . Egg-sit??? Sounds like a broody hen to me! I noticed that today whilst I was accompanying my lastest victim on his road test; not sure there's any improvement or that there are any script changes. Maybe there are some for those C Stocks that venture to Whitechapel for the ELL closure (and the damned DVA still drops out over gaps if the batteries are weak.............) Is this part of TfL's revenge on Emma thingamejig after she posted those spoof announcements on her web site? |
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Post by District Dave on Jan 9, 2008 16:49:29 GMT
In fact to my knowlege its only really been the last 2 years ive ever noticed DVAs (although based on forum messages the Central, Northern and Jubilee have had them for ages but I hadn't really noticed them). I'm pretty sure you'll find that all the 'new' stocks (92TS and later) have had them installed since they were built; I'm sure that when there was an Open Day at West Ruislip depot at about the 92TS came into service they were demonstrated then. |
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Post by Tom on Jan 9, 2008 23:14:33 GMT
In fact to my knowlege its only really been the last 2 years ive ever noticed DVAs (although based on forum messages the Central, Northern and Jubilee have had them for ages but I hadn't really noticed them). I'm pretty sure you'll find that all the 'new' stocks (92TS and later) have had them installed since they were built; I'm sure that when there was an Open Day at West Ruislip depot at about the 92TS came into service they were demonstrated then. There was indeed - May 1993 IIRC. |
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Post by Alight on Jan 10, 2008 21:09:15 GMT
superteacher = Thank you!#
District Dave = Indeed however as stated I hadn't really paid attention to any DVA until I first heard the Picc's one early 2007.
And additionally there ARE script changes for East London Line at Whitechapel as I head Emma Clarkes say "The East London Line will close on December 22nd." and possible mentioning of a bus replacement. This was unleashed during the "Exit" and "International" changes.
And Emma Clarkes was not 'sacked' (according to my excellent quality e-mail reply from JNP - now thats what I call customer services!) and will still be continuing to provide announcements however judging by the e-mail reply I got back from her she doesn't seem very interested anymore and I don't blame her!
Personally if it was down to me they should put Celia on the Central (as it is a modern train and has a two stage announcement system) and Picc's Unknown voiceover artist on the District and Bakerloo and then keep Emma on the lines which stock's are due to be replaced very shortly. Then it will be even:
3 lines with Celia
3 lines with Picc's
3 lines with Emma
And the old man luxury on the Jubilee as a bonus!
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Post by edwin on Jan 10, 2008 22:42:13 GMT
Old man on the Jubilee should go on every single line to warn passengers of the gap, they should also use him when a train is about to reverse in a siding just after they drop that silly law which means they have to tip out passengers in every carriage, of course. The loud male voice will draw attention more amongst the plethora of pointless female announcers in stations and trains.
I also think a DVA should go like this: "This is Green Park. Change for the Jubilee and Piccadilly lines." as the train arrives into the station and then when the doors open it should go "This is Green Park... This train terminates at Brixton" it gives people more of a chance to get ready to get off and "This is a Victoria line train to Brixton" is too long winded.
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Post by Colin on Jan 10, 2008 23:35:55 GMT
they should also use him when a train is about to reverse in a siding just after they drop that silly law which means they have to tip out passengers in every carriage, That 'silly law', to quote you, was introduced after a passenger fell to their death whilst moving between carriages in Liverpool Street siding. We also cannot carry passengers past shunt signals as the points are not locked in position in the same way as those where colour light signals fitted. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2008 9:02:11 GMT
We also cannot carry passengers past shunt signals as the points are not locked in position in the same way as those where colour light signals fitted. Actually, the rules now say that passengers can be carried on a shunt signalled move if instructed by the line controller. I did it recently when two passengers were overcarried during the westbound to eastbound move at West Kensington (and no, it wasn't my fault - 2 SAs had tipped out for me!) |
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Post by c5 on Jan 11, 2008 9:07:45 GMT
We also cannot carry passengers past shunt signals as the points are not locked in position in the same way as those where colour light signals fitted. Actually, the rules now say that passengers can be carried on a shunt signalled move if instructed by the line controller. I did it recently when two passengers were overcarried during the westbound to eastbound move at West Kensington (and no, it wasn't my fault - 2 SAs had tipped out for me!) That is only if they have already been overcarried though. It is thought best to have them carried back over, than go round securing up points. Also, passenger over-carries are notifiable to the ORR/RAIB, that is the other reason why you need to inform the Service Controller (Level 2). |
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Post by railtechnician on Jan 11, 2008 11:22:27 GMT
Actually, the rules now say that passengers can be carried on a shunt signalled move if instructed by the line controller. I did it recently when two passengers were overcarried during the westbound to eastbound move at West Kensington (and no, it wasn't my fault - 2 SAs had tipped out for me!) That is only if they have already been overcarried though. It is thought best to have them carried back over, than go round securing up points. Also, passenger over-carries are notifiable to the ORR/RAIB, that is the other reason why you need to inform the Service Controller (Level 2). Yes but any way you look at it, it is about LUL covering its derriere as all companies have to do now because of the very ridiculous blame culture that has been allowed to defeat common sense. One wonders why emergency doors are not normally locked during normal activity and released only in an emergency considering how the rules have changed to make their use illegitimate in almost all circumstances. |
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Post by Colin on Jan 11, 2008 15:23:42 GMT
One wonders why emergency doors are not normally locked during normal activity and released only in an emergency considering how the rules have changed to make their use illegitimate in almost all circumstances. Definition of emergency (taken from the Oxford compact online dictionary): • noun (pl. emergencies) a serious, unexpected, and potentially dangerous situation requiring immediate action. I think it is therefore quite obvious why emergency exit doors are not locked. |
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Post by edwin on Jan 11, 2008 15:56:58 GMT
they should also use him when a train is about to reverse in a siding just after they drop that silly law which means they have to tip out passengers in every carriage, That 'silly law', to quote you, was introduced after a passenger fell to their death whilst moving between carriages in Liverpool Street siding. We also cannot carry passengers past shunt signals as the points are not locked in position in the same way as those where colour light signals fitted. A complete overreaction IMO. Because of one passengers being silly enough to move between carriages on a moving train the H&S lobby decide to potentially reduce the passenger carrying capacity of LU? Most other metros don't have these silly laws. Anyway, passengers have as much of a chance of falling between the carriages whenever it moves between stations! Why can't we simply have an announcement along the lines of "This train will be re-entering service shortly, remain where you are" when a train enters a siding? But of course this will be ignored like the rest of the noise pollution that LU churns out day after day... |
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Post by Chris M on Jan 11, 2008 16:24:04 GMT
When changing ends in a siding, would you like to come face to face (on your own) with a person or group of people who are upset at being overcarried? They might be angry and violent. They might be armed.
Most people aren't, but would you like to take the chance?
At least one member here has been assaulted by a passenger who was angry/upset about not being able to get to his destination. I don't remember the exact details, but I think there were delays and the train was going to be turned short of the passenger's destination (somewhere on the West Ruislip branch of the Central iirc). The member (who was the t/op of the train) was off work for several months recovering from his injuries - this happened at a station where there were lots of other people around.
Some sidings are quite remote from help.
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