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Post by TMBA on Oct 24, 2007 13:15:17 GMT
This morning at 0835ish a Silverlink train passed signal GB5 at danger by one whole car length, GB5 is the signal that allows Silverlinks from Acton across us into Gunnersbury so effectively shutting down the road from Richmond to Gunnersbury both east & West. I was stuck with another colleague at Richmond, whilst we awaited a relieving driver plus manager to travel from Willsden depot to Gunnersbury, from there walk to the Silverlink that had had the incident to assess the situation and act according to the rules They did what they had to do IE set back and then the service was running again, delay to me 85mins by the time i got back to Upminster. The story goes that the signalman at Richmond had asked for a relieving driver because the driver of the silverlink had said he wouldn't do the set back procedure because he was unfamiliar with the move plus he was a new driver so the signalman stood him down ;D  Now I have a couple of issues with this and one of them is why in the peak relieve a driver and cause such a long delay? & why was this driver allowed onto the road knowing or not knowing that he may have safety issues? Anymore thoughts please - |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2007 13:25:03 GMT
Hmmm, I suspect this guy won't be a driver for much longer. I assume the driver was very new and only just passed out as a driver. Some questions need to be asked about his road test/route knowledge exam.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2007 15:00:03 GMT
why in the peak relieve a driver and cause such a long delay? Because the signaller didn't think the driver was fit to continue. It's a safety issue, so it doesn't matter how long the delay is. Good question! Sounds like his training leaves something to be desired. |
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Post by chrish on Oct 24, 2007 17:52:13 GMT
Good question! Sounds like his training leaves something to be desired. If he was a very new driver, then maybe he/she was shaken by having the SPAD in the first place so his/her mind wasn't exactly forthcoming with what to do next. It possible they were just trying not to make things worse for themselves. Whether it was the right decision is another matter however... Just a thought... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2007 18:15:17 GMT
If he was a very new driver, then maybe he/she was shaken by having the SPAD in the first place so his/her mind wasn't exactly forthcoming with what to do next. It possible they were just trying not to make things worse for themselves. Whether it was the right decision is another matter however... Just a thought... And a very valid thought in my opinion ! We have had enough of our own drivers decline to carry out rarely performed procedures, including last year a wrong direction move on that branch, if in doubt remaining where you are is more likely to keep you your job than doing somthing you believe to be wrong ! NR, of course, have a rather unrealistic expectation of the abilities of human beings. I guess it must have been a total shock to find a Silverlink had not been given priority over a District, very unlikely they'd have been trained for such a rare occurance  ;D ;D The ability of a signaller to "stand down" a driver is news to me however ! (Of course, if the signaller didn't have the necessary indications to let the train go forwards and the driver wouldn't take it backwards, then clearly a third party intervention to break the deadlock was needed !) |
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Post by Colin on Oct 24, 2007 20:36:05 GMT
Remember, on Network Rail, it's the signallers railway..........(ie, not like LUL).............
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Post by TMBA on Oct 24, 2007 20:47:12 GMT
I think the important thing here is that at that time of the morning none of our trains were stuck between stations and if that situation had of arisen as clearly pointed out by Colin is that its the signalers railway.
The problem lies of course that if the situation were reversed and we had to relieve one of our own drivers would we have had anybody to do the relieving
We all know what its like for spares don't we? so would the situation have arisen and does silverlink have the same problem with spares as we do or would the manager have to move the train.
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Post by Colin on Oct 24, 2007 20:58:41 GMT
Good point TMBA - of the District's nearest depot is Acton Town, and the DMT's do like to hang onto their spares there...........but since it became a smaller depot, so the number of spares have dropped to follow suit.
I suppose in the end it depends on how far the signallers at Richmond want to push their luck......
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Post by DWS on Oct 24, 2007 21:12:59 GMT
No Delays on the Richmond Branch, on Friday as Silverlink drivers are on strike.
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Post by Colin on Oct 24, 2007 21:16:41 GMT
And the Silverlink's will still get priority over the junction  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2007 21:26:05 GMT
Certainly caused some lovely problems for the morning commute and then it appears someone jumped onto the tracks at Barrons Court at around 10.15 to make matters worse.
The piccadilly line train i was on was just climbing the grade from the tunnels when the traction current was switched off... and we rolled back towards the tunnels a bit.
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Post by District Dave on Oct 25, 2007 15:59:27 GMT
Certainly caused some lovely problems for the morning commute and then it appears someone jumped onto the tracks at Barrons Court at around 10.15 to make matters worse. The piccadilly line train i was on was just climbing the grade from the tunnels when the traction current was switched off... and we rolled back towards the tunnels a bit. I believe that round about the same time as the NLL problem at Gunnersbury, the Picc had a problem at Acton Town, which meant that they were diverting all the Heathrows down the 'local' from Hammersmith! AIUI the Richmonds were pretty quickily diverted to EBDY, albeit that there was one stuck at GB1's; not sure if that just remained there or if they did a WDM back to Turnham Green - I didn't read the daily report this morning! |
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Post by dazz285 on Oct 26, 2007 8:55:35 GMT
And the Silverlink's will still get priority over the junction ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Seems odd to me that you say that  How many times do you see a Silverlink train standing at GB5 waiting for a District to either leave or arrive at Gunnersbury, Plenty...... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2007 10:23:04 GMT
If the signal GB5 is the one that stops southbound Silverlink trains at the junction, why did the train have to set back? Surely it should be possible to ascertain that the track into Gunnesbury is clear, and so the train can proceed.
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Post by Colin on Oct 26, 2007 13:04:35 GMT
And the Silverlink's will still get priority over the junction ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Seems odd to me that you say that How many times do you see a Silverlink train standing at GB5 waiting for a District to either leave or arrive at Gunnersbury, Plenty...... It was a 'tongue in cheek' comment - hence the smilies. |
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