roythebus
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Aug 7, 2009 15:47:07 GMT
Post by roythebus on Aug 7, 2009 15:47:07 GMT
Do they still use the DRICO emergency telephone and current cut-off sytem on LT?
For those that may not know, there used to be a pair of bare copper wires running along the wall of the tunnels. To cut off the current in and emergency, the motorman or guard could either pinch them together or short across them with his reverser key. This would then operate a gizmo in the sub-sustation and put the juice off.
The motorman would carry a small wooden box with him which contained the emergency telephone handset. This could be clipped to the bare wires to contact the line controller. Certain trains would be booked an extra minute in places to perform a DRICO test. No doubt this has been replaced by radio these days!
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Aug 7, 2009 16:17:14 GMT
Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 7, 2009 16:17:14 GMT
D Stock still retain the built-in emergency tunnel telephones (which discharge the current).
The DRICO equipment (which didn't discharge the current) was where the Connect radio handset is now located. Although it was retained at refurb, most of the doors were jammed shut. The timetabled booked stops were removed some while ago now.
DRICO equipment was fitted to trains, the wooden box, as you say, was the emergency tunnel telephone.
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roythebus
Pleased to say the restoration of BEA coach MLL738 is as complete as it can be, now restoring MLL721
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Aug 7, 2009 18:35:18 GMT
Post by roythebus on Aug 7, 2009 18:35:18 GMT
Ah yes, I remember now! The actual drico thing was fitted in the cab. The wooden telephone box was useful as a defence mechanism on a Friday evening when the pubs chucked out!
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Aug 7, 2009 19:52:01 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2009 19:52:01 GMT
Do they still use the DRICO emergency telephone and current cut-off sytem on LT? For those that may not know, there used to be a pair of bare copper wires running along the wall of the tunnels. To cut off the current in and emergency, the motorman or guard could either pinch them together or short across them with his reverser key. This would then operate a gizmo in the sub-sustation and put the juice off. All tube tunnels still have the copper wires you asked about and all are operational. The DRICO is no longer used but all stocks carry a handset that clips onto the wires and switches off traction current. Contact with the Line Controller is then possible.
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Aug 7, 2009 21:55:41 GMT
Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 7, 2009 21:55:41 GMT
Some tunnel areas have had the wires removed, Kings Cross-Farringdon-Barbican, Blackfriars station area; which have been replaced with close spaced electrification/discharge telephones.
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Aug 8, 2009 8:17:39 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2009 8:17:39 GMT
For those that like "dates" (as I do ;D ), I have the following dates that DRICO was commissioned:
09.03.52 - Northern Line 31.01.54 - Bakerloo Line 01.09.54 - Central Line 05.02.56 - Piccadilly Line 18.03.56 - Northern City Line 13.01.57 - Tunnel sections of the District Line for R and Q Stock trains only but excluding South Acton branch, East Putney – Southfields tunnel and between High Street Kensington and Edgware Road. 02.03.59 - Met, Circle and East London (which then included High Street - Edgware Road). 06.12.65 "Portable" Drico provided for Eastern Region drivers working goods trains over the East London Line.
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Aug 8, 2009 12:45:45 GMT
Post by 100andthirty on Aug 8, 2009 12:45:45 GMT
there were always two systems; Drico and tunnel telephone. Drico was replaced by train radio and eventually removed.
originally Drico was built into the trains and tunnel telephone was carried in the little wooden box.
Drico DID NOT cut off the traction current. Tunnel Telephone DOES cut off traction current.
Victoria never had drico. It started off with carrier wave - communications carried via the current rails
these days, the tunnel telephone is built in.
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Aug 8, 2009 14:54:03 GMT
Post by railtechnician on Aug 8, 2009 14:54:03 GMT
there were always two systems; Drico and tunnel telephone. Drico was replaced by train radio and eventually removed. originally Drico was built into the trains and tunnel telephone was carried in the little wooden box. Drico DID NOT cut off the traction current. Tunnel Telephone DOES cut off traction current. Victoria never had drico. It started off with carrier wave - communications carried via the current rails these days, the tunnel telephone is built in. Yes DRICO (DRIver-COntroller) was still in use when I began my LT career in 1977 although I didn't have much to do with it until 1979 when I transferred from Signals to the Telephone Section. Train radio did indeed replace DRICO but it took a while and I wouldn't mind betting there is still some DRICO kit around even though it hasn't been used for at least 20 years and was mostly removed by 1990. Basically DRICO was a system superimposed over the tunnel telephone circuit tapped off the tunnel wire pair at each 'reset end' substation via isolating capacitors and DRICO test points were located at some station headwalls also tapped off the tunnel wires via a pair of capacitors into a TDB (track disconnection box). This box would be painted green with a red stripe painted horizontally across the lid and is where we (telephone linemen) would connect the DRICO test box which was basically a large hand held loudspeaker unit. The DRICO handset did not trip the tunnel telephone circuit but connected to the Line Controller via a DRICO amplifier at the substation. The DRICO amplifiers were removed in the late 1980s IIRC. I don't know when the onboard train kit was removed but that was a job no doubt for the depot train techs. I can say that the Picc and District Line Controller DRICO equipment was alive and well at Earls Court until I removed the old telephone rack and four DRICO relay sets in 2004, the desk equipment had long gone but the wiring was extant until I had a tidy up to make way for all the new kit that was proposed for the Picc Controller. I can also say that I found DRICO test points still connected to the tunnel wires at Holloway Road in the course of my regular tunnel telephone maintenance duties. I never had any dealings with carrier wave when it was working though I was trained to maintain it. It was replaced by a train radio system then different to the Storno radio systems in used on the other lines. I installed the trial Victoria line train radio system line amplifiers and leaky feeder cabling in the Northern line tunnels between Tooting Bec and Colliers Wood circa 1988/9. It used fourteen Texscan amplifiers on separate transmit and receive leaky feeder cables in each tunnel with the main control equipment located at Tooting broadway. IIRC when installed on the Victoria line following the successfull field trial it was a cut down version using a single leaky feeder and amplifier chain per tunnel as both Tx and Rx following the convention of the Storno system in use on the other lines. However, I did finally get to work on the carrier wave, I got the job of the final recovery of tunnel mounted trackside equipment once the train radio was operational. The last units were marshalled at Northumberland Park depot following recovery and then we hijacked some space on a P-Way train on a weekend possession to get them away for scrapping/reuse. I'm sure the kit went for scrap but the cases were mostly the double width Westinghouse equipment cases as used throughout the Victoria line so I expect they were refurbished by SOS.
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Aug 8, 2009 15:21:38 GMT
Post by railtechnician on Aug 8, 2009 15:21:38 GMT
Some tunnel areas have had the wires removed, Kings Cross-Farringdon-Barbican, Blackfriars station area; which have been replaced with close spaced electrification/discharge telephones. Yep those phones are nothing special! They are simply standard headwall type tunnel telephones mounted in standard weatherproof equipment boxes but painted yellow instead of black and mounted alternately high and low throughout the area to suit a driver in his cab or at track level. They are mounted at nominal 40 metre centres IIRC and there are 127 of them on the Heathrow loop which I used to maintain. To add to their visibility white marker lights powered from the signal 100v local supply are usually mounted above them although they seem to get damaged often! The circuit is still just two wires but an 8 pair/0.9 cable is used with eight cores bunched as the positive leg and eight cores bunched as the negative leg , i.e. white,grey,white,yellow,white,grey,white,green as + and orange,blue,red,violet,brown,green,orange, red as - . All the phones on a circuit are in parallel so you can imagine the grief if one is left off the hook and the user forgot which one he used, they all have ID labels! The Heathrow loop is about 5300 metres so it's a long walk when fault finding, I walked it many a time. I'm not sure what your comment re Blackfriars station area refers to. Every tube and subsurface tunnel station has a tunnel telephone at the platform headwall of each platform except Victoria line stations which have plungers. Plungers (section ahead and section in rear) are fitted at some stations on other lines in addition to the headwall telephone where a current rail gap is within 400' of the platform. Having said that one Victoria line platform did have a headwall tunnel telephone, that was Oxford Circus where a former colleague installed one following the fire there. I'd be interested to know if it is extant. For one shift only on the Picc circa 1988 the westbound headwall unit at King's Cross contained two connected and working tunnel telephones because I was not allowed five minutes to cut the old cable from the tunnel wires and make good after installing the new instrument.
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Aug 8, 2009 17:07:14 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2009 17:07:14 GMT
I was once asked by the controller on the Northern line to do a DRICO test at South Wimbledon. I opened the box and the wires and speaker were filthy. So I just sat there for a couple of minutes, then called him up on the radio and said I had tried but got no reply. Test failed without even getting my hands dirty ;D
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Aug 8, 2009 17:54:16 GMT
Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 8, 2009 17:54:16 GMT
Some tunnel areas have had the wires removed, Kings Cross-Farringdon-Barbican, Blackfriars station area; which have been replaced with close spaced electrification/discharge telephones. I'm not sure what your comment re Blackfriars station area refers to. Every tube and subsurface tunnel station has a tunnel telephone at the platform headwall of each platform except Victoria line stations which have plungers. Blackfriars is a closed station and all equipment has been removed. It has been turned into a tunnel section by erecting metal hoardings along the platform edge. As there is now no access to the platform electrification/discharge telephones have been erected at close intervals on the track side of the metal hoarding, in lieu of the usual tunnel telephone wires.
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Aug 8, 2009 18:17:33 GMT
Post by towerman on Aug 8, 2009 18:17:33 GMT
Used to be a b*gger to test in depots,you had to clip the DRICO leads of two trains together and see if you could talk to each other,used to be leads everywhere!!
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Aug 9, 2009 11:30:46 GMT
Post by railtechnician on Aug 9, 2009 11:30:46 GMT
I'm not sure what your comment re Blackfriars station area refers to. Every tube and subsurface tunnel station has a tunnel telephone at the platform headwall of each platform except Victoria line stations which have plungers. Blackfriars is a closed station and all equipment has been removed. It has been turned into a tunnel section by erecting metal hoardings along the platform edge. As there is now no access to the platform electrification/discharge telephones have been erected at close intervals on the track side of the metal hoarding, in lieu of the usual tunnel telephone wires. Oh I see, I wasn't aware that Blackfriars was closed but I get the point now that I know that. For anyone who is wondering about where tunnel telephones are fitted the rule is any tunnel which is a train's length or longer, hence tunnel telephones can be found in areas where the railway runs under a wide road bridge. The old fashioned way of filling the gap in 'tunnel' as was always done during the building of step plate junctions from new tunnels would be to erect vertical posts and/or brackets and string temporary open wires alongside the track, relocating them endlessly as the work progressed until the junction was completed and permanent wiring was installed. I was last involved in such a set up during the construction of the step plate junction at Angel having to test the tunnel telephone system at Old Street substation at the end of every night shift after a visit to inspect the temporary wires. It seems obvious to me now that using the standard weatherproof T/T instruments and bunched 8 pair cable is a far simpler and easier method of providing temporary T/T wiring in such situations so perhaps it will become the standard for such works in future. There is a lot to be said for not having to get out the tensioners and stretching the wires after tying them individually to each and every insulator with a clove hitch. There is also no need for the blowlamp, pot and ladle to pour hot metal onto the wrapped connections although during JLE construction a former colleague got crimping adopted for T/T wire connections using the standard crimps as used for repairing glider tow ropes!
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