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Post by ruislip on Nov 19, 2009 0:37:12 GMT
I've always wondered why, at some Circle stations, why the "Circle" is always listed last. Shouldn't LU follow the alphabetic order conventions. |
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Post by 21146 on Nov 19, 2009 0:39:04 GMT
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Post by jswallow on Nov 19, 2009 18:19:18 GMT
That one's a design thing. If you'd put DISTRICT & PICCADILLY LINES you wouldn't have got it in as large lettering on two lines, i.e.
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PICCADILLY LINES isn't balanced compared to the way it appears on the sign, and having signs that are aethestically correct was always the way signage was done by LT of old.
But I must admit that one's a very odd sign - the station names' lettering on the line diagram is minute.
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Post by mrfs42 on Nov 20, 2009 11:34:42 GMT
I agree - having the Picc before the District makes for a much better aesthetic balance.
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Post by d7666 on Nov 20, 2009 22:26:32 GMT
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I've always wondered why, at some Circle stations, why the "Circle" is always listed last. Shouldn't LU follow the alphabetic order conventions.[/quote]
At those locations is it following the O for Circle convention.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2009 14:39:11 GMT
Well, I have asked my GLA member (Deputy Mayor Kit Malthouse) whether he and Boris intend to claim the "new" Circle as a success for their administration or whether they intend to wait to see if it works. The reply? They're going to have a meeting about it ;D
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 21, 2009 15:31:13 GMT
They're going to have a meeting about it ;D Before or after December 13th? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2009 17:53:51 GMT
They're going to have a meeting about it ;D Before or after December 13th? Before - on December 8. |
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Post by 21146 on Nov 23, 2009 18:35:54 GMT
Line diagrams replaced at Embankment, Westminster still to be done.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2009 22:05:02 GMT
Line diagrams replaced at Embankment, Westminster still to be done. At Edgware Road they seemed to have added something to the line diagram using a board marker (I forgot what it said though!) |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 7:32:52 GMT
At Edgware Road they seemed to have added something to the line diagram using a board marker (I forgot what it said though!) "Don't blame the platform staff if it's chaos"? Or possibly it's just a reminder that the new service starts in December! |
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Post by metman on Nov 24, 2009 8:22:51 GMT
A Sunday Times article was pointed out to me yesterday. Pax in the East are worried because they will get one less H&C train in the new timetable. Personally I won't be too worried, because soon all H&C will run through to Plaistow/Barking. I'd be more worried for the people in the West! The giant queues at Paddington and subsquent withdrawal of the District Line beyond High St Ken in times of Choas is what would worry me! ;D
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Post by mrfs42 on Nov 24, 2009 8:28:13 GMT
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Post by towerman on Nov 25, 2009 18:50:48 GMT
There were people at King's Cross & Liverpool St today handing out leaflets about the new service.Bet you'll still get the numptys on 13th/14th saying they never knew the service was changing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2009 21:16:54 GMT
I've been told there will be people handing out leaflets on the 2nd Dec at Edgware Road
The board marker have been removed along with the Poster but I remember it did say "Please Read"
A lot of trouble this morning, I waited 15mins at West Brompton for a 07X to turn up
so I got the first D and changed at ECT and T151 to HSK (with the tailight still on!)
I caught T226 (6730+5730 at the back) from HSK to Edgware Road this morning, then at Bayswater (09:50) it was changed to a Hammersmith & City line service to Barking. Complete with new DVA, line maps still the same.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2009 17:22:10 GMT
The replacement of the line diagrams at Embankment means that the pair at the top of the stairs leading to the westbound platform now have correct interchange at Paddington. The previous pair had Jubilee Line interchange. This was snowpaked out from time to time, until itchy finger nails saw it displayed, and then snowpaked over again .... and so on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 14:25:44 GMT
I've been told there will be people handing out leaflets on the 2nd Dec at Edgware Road Do you know when? I want to go there to hand out leaflets saying it won't work ;D |
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Post by Phil on Nov 27, 2009 14:41:10 GMT
Do you know when? I want to go there to hand out leaflets saying it won't work ;D That's unfair: the wording should be ' might not' work  . Metcontrol/lc66 etc. are going to do their damndest and we ought not prejudge....  |
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Post by metman on Nov 27, 2009 18:23:14 GMT
Yes, we've got to give it a go. There are many many out there who believe it won't work, myself included. But you've got to give it a go to prove it doesn't work! How else can one learn from ones mistakes.
On the flip side it is good to get the opinions of those who have a vast amount of experience operating the SSL. Only time will tell if they are correct!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 19:36:10 GMT
I've been told there will be people handing out leaflets on the 2nd Dec at Edgware Road Do you know when? I want to go there to hand out leaflets saying it won't work ;D Ok these are the following dates: Between 7:30am and 10am, and 1630 till 1900 Paddington (both stations) - December 1 Edgware Road - December 2 Notting Hill Gate - December 3 High Street Kensington December 3 Source: MetroTravel |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2009 16:29:09 GMT
Thanks, Julian. I wonder why they won't be delivering any leaflets at Bayswater? It's the station which stands to lose most if the new service pattern goes belly up as I expect.
And, Metman, please treat us like adults. On any other line the number of trains that will be required to reverse at Edgware Road would require a three-platform terminus. You know it and I (and a lot of other customers) know it.
I have invited the RMT to give me their position on it - the relevant branch has its mothly meeting next week.
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Post by metman on Nov 29, 2009 16:43:23 GMT
You are being treated like Adults! The impression I was given was that the forum is trying to be a little less negative, perhaps some of these comments should go on the rant board?
I do agree with what you are saying about 3 platforms though.
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Post by citysig on Nov 29, 2009 19:36:43 GMT
I have invited the RMT to give me their position on it - the relevant branch has its mothly meeting next week. Who could predict that this sort of line would rear it's pretty disgusting head again so soon. This would be the same RMT that is preventing me having April 2009 my pay rise whilst those around me lose money, or worse, their jobs. The same RMT that is seriously looking at striking again, and thinks the public will support them. And what, prey tell, are the RMT really going to do about the new timetable? Encourage their members to give this new timetable their best shot? Help work through a reasonable solution should the worst happen and it all goes wrong come 13th December? Build that extra platform at Edgware Road? No I thought as much. More likely get that leader of yours to chant some spin to the Evening Standard and tell everyone they warned everyone what would happen. Well pass on my round of applause to your leader and your union, and remind them why I left them - because when I actually needed them, they weren't there. Apologies everyone else for that rant, but even I, one of the people who will be picking up the pieces, and, as Phil says, be doing my damndest to try and make it work, have attempted to stay on the more positive / wait and see side of the fence. I have had the odd dig here and there, but it had everything to do with the way things will work, and absolutely nothing to do with my union. Very early on in the debate (not sure if it was this thread) I conveyed the view of one of the key people putting this timetable in. That was that a new timetable would come in, but the planning could never be allowed to focus on those who will bring it down. If the timetable fails to work, then so be it. If it works, but with problems, deal with the problems. But we never know, on the whole it may actually work. In just 2 weeks, we will see. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2009 21:49:40 GMT
I never understand why an operational issue is of any concern to the union. It isn't them that is running the service, unions are their to look after their members not run the business.
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Post by Phil on Nov 29, 2009 22:55:03 GMT
I never understand why an operational issue is of any concern to the union. It isn't them that is running the service, unions are their to look after their members not run the business. It isn't in the general scheme of things, but (for example) if turnround times get so short there is no time for PNRs etc. the unions (at local level) may be the only ones to highlight it. |
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Post by happybunny on Nov 30, 2009 9:25:13 GMT
I never understand why an operational issue is of any concern to the union. It isn't them that is running the service, unions are their to look after their members not run the business. Because of facts like, due to this new timetable at my depot we are losing our long weekends. Currently we have 5 in 44 , we will go down to 1 in 42 (which can't be classed as a long weekend as the Thursday shift finishes at 0129hrs (effectively Friday morning) and the Tuesday starts at 5 something am) ... That is why the union get involved! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2009 10:12:13 GMT
I have invited the RMT to give me their position on it - the relevant branch has its mothly meeting next week. Who could predict that this sort of line would rear it's pretty disgusting head again so soon. This would be the same RMT that is preventing me having April 2009 my pay rise whilst those around me lose money, or worse, their jobs. The same RMT that is seriously looking at striking again, and thinks the public will support them. And what, prey tell, are the RMT really going to do about the new timetable? Encourage their members to give this new timetable their best shot? Help work through a reasonable solution should the worst happen and it all goes wrong come 13th December? Build that extra platform at Edgware Road? No I thought as much. More likely get that leader of yours to chant some spin to the Evening Standard and tell everyone they warned everyone what would happen. Well pass on my round of applause to your leader and your union, and remind them why I left them - because when I actually needed them, they weren't there. I disagree wholeheartedly with all of the above. Besides, what has the pay offer and your personal experience of the union got to do with extended Circles? Should have gone in rant area. |
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Post by citysig on Nov 30, 2009 10:47:56 GMT
You are entitled to your view, just as I am to mine.
I am clearly in a minority here. The unions - in particular the RMT - should be congratulated on the way they steer just about every aspect of running the railway. As I have said repeatedly in the past, I'm all for protecting people's rights and conditions. However in the middle of a discussion concerning the way in which a timetable will operate, why must it be that the threat of the RMT is brought about again.
The constant threat of the unions by traincrew has already made it perfectly clear that come 13th December, whilst the large majority of staff will "give it a go" there are those amongst us who will do their damndest to mess things up, simply because they believe it's a bad idea.
I cannot believe that well over half the contingency being planned for the new timetable is based towards events such as drivers failing to pick up on time, or taking unscheduled PNRs. Extra staffing has actually been arranged to ensure drivers pick up correctly. Why? Nobody has to stand at Baker Street and make sure myself and my colleagues turn up on time.
What has the pay-rise got to do with the extended Circle? Well it would certainly soften things on my side, when I have to sit there all day long, eating my dinner on top of a timetable, simply because we have to sort out the delays caused by militant action.
When you or one of your colleagues decides to make a stand, and decides to show up the delicate nature of this timetable, and gets off that train for a PNR or whatever, maybe spare a thought for the station staff and those in Service Control who will still be doing their duty to try and keep things moving.
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Post by Phil on Nov 30, 2009 12:14:02 GMT
Admin:We're not quite at a rant yet, but not far off..... Can we separate the service from the implications please?? And yes, I know it's going to be hard for you folks that have got to implement it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2009 17:32:19 GMT
It will be stressful for all of us. I'm not looking forward to getting abuse changing ends with my minimum 4 minutes at Edgware Road after tipping out a packed train, or blocking back from Hammersmith every day, or the removal of our stepbacks to give us far more time on the handle. I will of course be coming in and getting on with it... and i'm an RMT member.
I don't think militant action will be the downfall of this timetable... All it will take is a signal failure!
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. Metcontrol/lc66 etc. are going to do their damndest and we ought not prejudge.... 
