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Post by elo10538 on May 11, 2009 8:30:14 GMT
Does anyone know what has happened to the planned Upminster Depot Open Day? I know it was still being discussed on Monday 27th April and was still advetised on the LT Museum , Heritage Vehicle Events page on 28th April, however it now seems to have dissappered from the Museum's web page.
Anyone have any more news about this planned event.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2009 15:10:45 GMT
hey welcome,
when the LTM do that, it normally means theve cancelled it but maybe they are keeping it open for another date or something
remember what happened with the 38 idea on the bakerloo
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Post by elo10538 on May 11, 2009 17:50:28 GMT
Yes, there have been various events or railtours 'on and off' so to speak. I do know that the Jubilee and Bakerloo Railtour planned for April 19th this year, is still being considered, but for 2010 now. It just seemed a bit weired that such a large, planned event would just disappear without someone knowing the background reason for it.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2009 19:33:20 GMT
I can assure that the planning for this event was certainly still ongoing into this month (May) late last week. Haven't heard anything untoward, perhaps until planning was complete the advertising was considered premature ?
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Post by Colin on May 11, 2009 23:39:59 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if the proverbial penny has dropped regarding the planned Barking to Upminster possession on the day of the planned event date (August Bank Holiday)......
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Post by wielanpj on May 30, 2009 19:20:41 GMT
I'm told this is now 29 and 30 August. Can anyone confirm/provide details?
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Post by Colin on May 30, 2009 23:56:10 GMT
Well the Barking to Upminster possession would still get in the way, and there appears to be nothing on LT Museum site still.....
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2009 10:04:35 GMT
the possession wouldn't effect a open day as the BTR works usually only take the possession limits upto the station starters aslong as the p-way does not have a depot possession everything would be fine
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Post by Colin on May 31, 2009 12:07:35 GMT
Pat, I was referring to something I said in another thread: Well as things currently stand, there'll be about 8 to 10 roads available to stable anything non D stock on - and if all are used they won't be able to do any shunting for maintenance. If anything else is to make an appearance, it will have to be there before close of traffic Friday and cannot leave until after start of traffic Monday because of the possession - I really wouldn't build up yer hopes too much!! Because of the possession, the yard will be full of D stock! |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2009 12:18:19 GMT
Planning is still in progress for this event.
i understand the considered view is that the possession will mean no need for train movements and thus make it easier to have the depot traction current discharged for H&S reasons.
Access to the depot from Upminster Stn is likely to be by vintage bus service.
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Post by Phil on May 31, 2009 17:19:19 GMT
Access to the depot from Upminster Stn is likely to be by vintage bus service. Not from Barking? If not the big problems are still there for all who are coming from the west. Surely if the possessions can't be sorted out common sense must prevail and the open day (however significant) be postponed till folks can get there. Not all of us have the option of using the car. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2009 17:26:14 GMT
Access to the depot from Upminster Stn is likely to be by vintage bus service. Not from Barking? If not the big problems are still there for all who are coming from the west. Surely if the possessions can't be sorted out common sense must prevail and the open day (however significant) be postponed till folks can get there. Not all of us have the option of using the car. Quite right. And anyway, would they not need to shut the station car park to run the buses? If they did, then that would only leave two car parks would it not? I may be local but it is ages since I last went to Upminster, but I bet there are still really only three car parks in the town? |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2009 17:34:19 GMT
ok sorry colin being on nights frys the brain
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Post by setttt on May 31, 2009 17:44:31 GMT
Access to the depot from Upminster Stn is likely to be by vintage bus service. Not from Barking? If not the big problems are still there for all who are coming from the west. Surely if the possessions can't be sorted out common sense must prevail and the open day (however significant) be postponed till folks can get there. Not all of us have the option of using the car. Those coming from the west can catch c2c to Upminster, and those coming from Upney and stations east thereof can catch the District line replacement bus service. And anyway, would they not need to shut the station car park to run the buses? They don't close the car park when there are rail replacement buses running, so I can't imagine it will be necessary. In any case it's all speculation until a date is formally announced! |
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Post by Phil on Jun 1, 2009 7:19:50 GMT
Those coming from the west can catch c2c to Upminster, and those coming from Upney and stations east thereof can catch the District line replacement bus service. That answers my next question! Ta. ........................but do c2c accept Oyster? |
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Post by elo10538 on Jun 1, 2009 7:28:19 GMT
Since starting this thread I have now discovered the reason the Open Day was removed from the LT Museum website. As has been already pointed out they had indicated the wrong date. However I believe that all that is holding up any official announcement is the approval of the expenditure for the Open Weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2009 8:21:55 GMT
Those coming from the west can catch c2c to Upminster, and those coming from Upney and stations east thereof can catch the District line replacement bus service. That answers my next question! Ta. ........................but do c2c accept Oyster? yes you can. |
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Post by dannyofelmpark on Jun 29, 2009 9:38:21 GMT
i was speaking to the recepion lady at Upminster depot this morning, she claims that they had a meeting about all this last week and the open day is going ahead on both 29+30 august
can anyone second that?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2009 12:35:38 GMT
That answers my next question! Ta. ........................but do c2c accept Oyster? yes you can. c2c accept Oyster in between: London Fenchurch Street and Upminster, London Fenchurch Street and Purfleet and London Fenchurch Street and Rainham! |
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Post by Colin on Jun 29, 2009 13:18:41 GMT
i was speaking to the recepion lady at Upminster depot this morning, she claims that they had a meeting about all this last week and the open day is going ahead on both 29+30 august can anyone second that? The admins were aware that the reason the event had been pulled from the Museum website was that there was some discussion relating to whether it would be a two day event rather than just the one day - so it would seem that issue has now been settled then... Further more, there are some minor issues to iron out regarding health & safety (things like making sure no one falls into an inspection pit), but otherwise planning is progressing well. The depot staff are intending make this a real success and do have some special plans up their sleeves - one I can reveal is the opportunity to view underneath a D stock with the bogies removed. This will certainly be an event worth attending despite the engineering works that will mean no District to Upminster. |
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Post by Colin on Jun 29, 2009 13:20:21 GMT
c2c accept Oyster in between: London Fenchurch Street and Upminster, London Fenchurch Street and Purfleet and London Fenchurch Street and Rainham! Slight correction to that - Purfleet is outside the zones, so Oyster is only valid to Rainham (via Dagenham Dock). |
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Post by dannyofelmpark on Jun 29, 2009 13:43:09 GMT
with that positive note i am looking forward to the depot open day, but that damm engineering work
in my opinion i dont think that engineering work with no service from Barking to Upminster is setting a good example to visitors. We have only had 3 weekends in the last year where there was a compleate through service on the whole line and you'd think that whoever plans these weekend closures would let it go just for this grand occasion.
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Post by Colin on Jun 29, 2009 16:49:56 GMT
As I'm sure I've mentioned before, it was a deliberate choice by the depot to hold this event whilst there was no train service to Upminster - it actually makes things a shed load easier in terms of railway operating procedures and the protection arrangements that would be required these days.
I have been told UNOFFICIALLY that there may well be a vintage bus shuttle service between Upminster station and the depot - I must emphasise this is UNOFFICIAL and is still at the PLANNING STAGE. It's likely to happen but take note of the words in capital letters!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2009 17:27:31 GMT
As I'm sure I've mentioned before, it was a deliberate choice by the depot to hold this event whilst there was no train service to Upminster - it actually makes things a shed load easier in terms of railway operating procedures and the protection arrangements that would be required these days. I have been told UNOFFICIALLY that there may well be a vintage bus shuttle service between Upminster station and the depot - I must emphasise this is UNOFFICIAL and is still at the PLANNING STAGE. It's likely to happen but take note of the words in capital letters!! Would the nanny state allow this event to go ahead anyway with trains running, or has it been a case of "that weekend or nothing"? |
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Post by Tom on Jun 29, 2009 18:32:43 GMT
Probably the latter. I wouldn't say the 'Nanny State' is a bad thing, having seen many so called enthuiasts disobeying rules relating to trespass and wandering off platform ends onto the trackside to get a better photo in the past. At the end of the day, the precautions will save the idiots from themselves.
I strongly suspect that any open day visitors going the wrong side of the fence will add wieght to the argument that such events shouldn't take place, thus spoiling things for the majority.
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Post by Chris M on Jun 29, 2009 20:26:41 GMT
Related to this there is discussion on the West Somerset Railway mailing list about trespass at the moment. The Mid Hants Railway have released photographs of people they wish to identify with a view to bringing charges of criminal trespass.
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Post by Colin on Jun 29, 2009 21:27:36 GMT
Would the nanny state allow this event to go ahead anyway with trains running, or has it been a case of "that weekend or nothing"? It's not "the nanny state" at all!! Railway protocol & procedures exist to ensure everyones safety (both staff & public). I sincerely hope the Mid Hants issue that ChrisM mentions results in a positive outcome for the railway. As for it being "that weekend or nothing"; as I've already said, it was a deliberate choice because the engineering works were happening. It is viewed by the depot staff as being ideal simply because it makes life a whole lot easier. Had there been no engineering works to take advantage of, I suspect they would have gone ahead anyway - and of course the engineering works could still be canceled at this stage, which would then force the depot staff into implementing the necessary arrangements. Whatever happens, once the date is set in stone it will go ahead regardless - trust me there is too much planned to pull it at the 11th hour. |
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Post by Chris M on Jun 29, 2009 22:33:31 GMT
Whatever happens, once the date is set in stone it will go ahead regardless - trust me there is too much planned to pull it at the 11th hour. If only the same were true for Crossrail... |
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Post by 21146 on Jul 10, 2009 17:35:42 GMT
The latest Friends of the LT Museum newsletter lists some of the exhibits which *may* make it there.
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Post by Colin on Jul 10, 2009 17:44:12 GMT
Care to share?
I already have a fair idea personally, but the conversation I had with one of the DDM's (Depot Duty Manager) was strictly unofficial at the time - and it wasn't the actual DDM organising the event.
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