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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2009 12:21:39 GMT
The publicity says that the District is not working (yet again) between Upminster and Barking. The H&C is similarly not working between Plaistow and Barking and that we should use the District instead. As the H&C works are due to track work, how can the District be running as both lines use the same tracks don't they ?
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Post by setttt on May 2, 2009 12:35:29 GMT
The H&Cs are cut back to Plaistow because the Districts are all using platform 3 at Barking to reverse, and there isn't room in the timetable for H&Cs to reverse there as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2009 12:38:44 GMT
Can the District not reverse via the sidings as well or is that where the track replacement work is?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2009 14:02:08 GMT
Ah thanks for that.
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Post by towerman on May 2, 2009 18:44:09 GMT
Think it's for point replacement at Upminster.
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Post by superteacher on May 3, 2009 21:21:55 GMT
If it's for points work at Upminster, then surerly the District would run at least as far as Dagenham East?
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Post by Colin on May 4, 2009 8:19:52 GMT
The booked possession starts at Barking and some of the engineering trains need space to be shunted around etc. On top of that, I dunno if any class 66's are being used for this particular possession, but if they are they won't be trip cock fitted so there has to be a generous 'buffer zone' as protection.
The final nail in the coffin that rules out Dagenham East is some of the engineering plant being stabled in the siding there.
As well as the track work that is being carried out, station works are also ongoing between Barking & Upminster - these weekends being an ideal opportunity.
IIRC though, the bulk of the weekend work on the District will be moving soon; the section between Whitechapel and Barking is well behind the rest of the line in the track renewal department.
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Post by londonstuff on May 4, 2009 10:41:22 GMT
Is there a huge amount left to do on the District as a whole or is it getting towards being mainly done? (I think I can imagine the answer!)
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Post by Colin on May 4, 2009 17:01:18 GMT
It's a bit hit 'n miss really; I'd say they're probably 50% there in terms of the whole District line. The six month track closure list details what's coming up, and it would suggest what I suspect - that the next big push is the missing part of the jigsaw....the Barking to Whitechapel section. That section is pretty much untouched at the moment. Most other sections are almost there, with perhaps just the eastbound or westbound needing doing, though there are places like Earls Court, Parsons Green or Ealing Broadway which will have to be done at some point but appear to be getting left alone until there's no choice but to do 'em. It'll most likely get worse (in terms of customer affecting closures) before it gets better, but it's gotta be done before S stock comes along and that's that really.
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 4, 2009 17:19:28 GMT
. . . but it's gotta be done before S stock comes along and that's that really. Which is surprising that they have been concentrating on Barking-Upminster, when the S Stock should get between Whitechapel-Barking first?
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Post by 21146 on May 4, 2009 17:32:51 GMT
I look forward to the vastly-shortened journey times on the DR come the S Stock then, which will compensate for the reduction in seats-per-hour (I'm not interested in increased overall capacity if it means standing, as I can't read a paper, book, or carry out any other useful activity whilst in that position). Seriously, as mentioned before, as soon as the track work is finished, more closures will commence to accomodate the slightly longer S Stock in sidings, bay roads and general existing signalling berths. And when that is finally completed, they'll start on the new SSR ATO signalling systems; after which no doubt the track will need doing again. If they're looking at closing Whitechapel - Barking then the policy of "no rail replacement buses in Zone 1 or 2" better be revised because it's getting to the point where travel from east London to the central area is becoming next to impossible some weekends.
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Post by Oracle on May 4, 2009 19:23:02 GMT
If you provide more trains-per-hour you run the risk of increasing passenger numbers to fill the extra capacity. The most famous example I can think of is when the GN electrification was achieved, new suburban electrics replaced DMMUs, with an enhanced frequency.
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Post by Colin on May 4, 2009 22:50:21 GMT
Which is surprising that they have been concentrating on Barking-Upminster, when the S Stock should get between Whitechapel-Barking first? True - perhaps they have been taking advantage of c2c's good nature at the moment, given that historically they've often refused LU's requests to allow work that affects them Another reason may be that as Hammersmith depot will be next to useless, and despite Neasden becoming the 'super depot', Ealing Common and Upminster depots will play a bigger part in S stock maintenance. Or it may just be that the track at the east end of the District was deemed as needing priority treatment....
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Post by towerman on May 5, 2009 18:16:24 GMT
Have heard a whisper that the east end possessions on the Jubilee may be over come the end of July if trial ops are successful,only drawback is then there will be lots of closures at the other end!!!
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