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Post by happybunny on Apr 11, 2009 0:19:28 GMT
Ten of us are running the London Marathon on 26 April and no District between Upminster and Barking that day. LUL must have known about this event from the day it was planned probably last April. So, we have to fight with replacement buses after running 26 miles on a great day for London. Public service ? Downright incompetence. Perhaps we will have to move the Olympics. What hope is there if the Jubilee is shut all the time when it has just been built in relative terms ? More incompetence. No doubt once the DL has finished its current works, it'll start all over again with relacement signalling. Bah ! I dont see what the Upminster - Barking section has to do with the marathon, as the marathon doesn't go anywhere near that section !
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Post by glasgowdriver on Apr 11, 2009 2:08:37 GMT
Ten of us are running the London Marathon on 26 April and no District between Upminster and Barking that day. LUL must have known about this event from the day it was planned probably last April. So, we have to fight with replacement buses after running 26 miles on a great day for London. Public service ? Downright incompetence. Perhaps we will have to move the Olympics. What hope is there if the Jubilee is shut all the time when it has just been built in relative terms ? More incompetence. No doubt once the DL has finished its current works, it'll start all over again with relacement signalling. Bah ! I dont see what the Upminster - Barking section has to do with the marathon, as the marathon doesn't go anywhere near that section ! I think he was just trying to make a point as for people complaining about these gaps in services when football is on. Have you ever wondered why when WHUFC are playing why we get these gaps. Well i think i can put the problem quite clearly. Having worked in a very busy zone 1 station where the H/C runs thro when district and circles are closed we tend to get delays due to "customer incidents" basically this is your fellow supporters that are often to drunk to think of the effect this has when the decided to cause a nuisance on the train to other passengers, pull alarm handles or throw there last pint of lager and chips up all over a train floor. This is what probably creates these gaps that your all complaining about. So dont blame TFL timetables blame your fellow passengers
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Post by dannyofelmpark on Apr 11, 2009 8:30:13 GMT
Here - here
so its not L.U.L.s fault, its the customers fault
ive always said that you know
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Post by ajamieson on Apr 11, 2009 10:08:26 GMT
True enough ;D I'm still concerned at the apparent TfL attitude that this is all the fault of the customer and that the planning surrounding the improvement works is satisfactory. It isn't. My experience at Mile End early this morning was similar to 21146 - an 11 minute wait westbound for H&C (and a similar wait eastbound, according to station staff). Luckily at Mile End I have the option of the Central - a luxury not enjoyed by those at Stepney Green, Bromley-by-Bow etc. Meanwhile at the DLR you get the other extreme: replacement bus overkill, with each bus pointlessly staffed by a man in high-vis carrying a clipboard (why?) whose job appears to be to announce when the bus arrives at each stop. More pointless staffing at each bus stop and DLR station. If this is for the benefit of blind passengers in the absence of pre-recorded announcements then it would be cheaper to fly the blind people by helicopter! Meanwhile there isn't apparently enough money simply to finish Mile End station...
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Post by Chris M on Apr 11, 2009 11:03:41 GMT
Meanwhile at the DLR you get the other extreme: replacement bus overkill, with each bus pointlessly staffed by a man in high-vis carrying a clipboard (why?) Even if you have no business being where you are, if you are wearing a hi-viz and carrying a clipboard then everyone will assume you're doing something important and you wont get challenged. Doubly so if you have a set of initials on the back of your jacket - even if they don't mean anything!
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Post by Tomcakes on Apr 11, 2009 16:22:32 GMT
Meanwhile at the DLR you get the other extreme: replacement bus overkill, with each bus pointlessly staffed by a man in high-vis carrying a clipboard (why?) Even if you have no business being where you are, if you are wearing a hi-viz and carrying a clipboard then everyone will assume you're doing something important and you wont get challenged. Doubly so if you have a set of initials on the back of your jacket - even if they don't mean anything! There is a tale about some men who (for some unknown reason) stole a bus shelter. They borrowed a large yellow truck with a grab crane, donned some hi-viz jackets and drove to the stop and put up cones. The shelter was duly uplifted and stored on the truck, the cones removed and the men drove away. When the theft was discovered, the police interviewed Betty who lived across the road. "Oh yes, but it wasn't a theft" said Betty "the men from the council came and uplifted it!".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2009 21:30:43 GMT
From happybunny's reply, I assume he was involved in the planning. It's this sort of narrow minded view that makes the service as useless as it is. How am I am supposed to get home smiling after the marathon ? I live in the middle of this interminable disruption and the planners don't have the foresight to let it go for one one weekend even though it's not en route. Ivory towers eh ? I just wonder why they didn' t plan the removal of the graffiti on the line at the same time. Different dept I suppose. Not paid to bring other depts into this. Useless all round.
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Post by Colin on Apr 13, 2009 21:56:59 GMT
Next week it'll be Joe Bloggs visiting his gran that's been inconvenienced.
The week after that one of my colleagues trying to get to work will be inconvenienced.
The week after that the smith family will be inconvenienced on their day out.
Point is plenty of people are being put out by these works but we will never please everyone - it's got to done and that's the bottom line whether you voice your opinion or not. I know you won't appreciate me saying that, but that is how it is.
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Post by 21146 on Aug 1, 2009 14:14:24 GMT
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Post by andypurk on Aug 1, 2009 18:26:35 GMT
From happybunny's reply, I assume he was involved in the planning. It's this sort of narrow minded view that makes the service as useless as it is. How am I am supposed to get home smiling after the marathon ? I live in the middle of this interminable disruption and the planners don't have the foresight to let it go for one one weekend even though it's not en route. Ivory towers eh ? I just wonder why they didn' t plan the removal of the graffiti on the line at the same time. Different dept I suppose. Not paid to bring other depts into this. Useless all round. Would this be the same planners who made sure that the Victoria line stayed running when Arsenal or Spurs were playing at home during the evening and weekend closures over the last couple of years. Sure there are a lot of runners and spectators at the London Marathon, but nearly every week there will be some big event on; at the moment, on most Sundays, I see people who have been on / are going to a charity run of some description. Engineering work is already reduced in the run up to Christmas and if you start taking out even more days when will the work get done? In my opinion the planners do a good job of making sure that works do not occur in the local area around events.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2009 19:20:05 GMT
Thinking about it, engineering work does not actually have a great deal of time to get done. You have 4 hours every night, plus up to 52 hours for a two day weekend shut down (assuming services finish at 1am-ish and a start of service at 5am on Monday morning). Most engineering work that takes place during the week is now reduced to 22:00 closures of stations for upgrades, which is only 7 hours until 5am the next morning. Add in the 13 days of Christmas (21st December to 3rd January), and then of course the likes of the boat race, Notting Hill Carnival etc, it really doesn't leave much time. With the amount of equipment that has to be lugged on and off site as well, it is quite incredible that work is able to get done in such short time frames.
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Post by Colin on Aug 2, 2009 0:31:25 GMT
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