roythebus
Pleased to say the restoration of BEA coach MLL738 is as complete as it can be, now restoring MLL721
Posts: 1,275
|
Post by roythebus on Mar 28, 2009 16:53:34 GMT
Does anyone remember the broken wheel incidents on the District back in the late 60's and early 70's? Maybe this thread ought to be mopved to the "historical" section??
There was one incident in about 1968 when a wheel broke at somewhere ;ike St.James' Park in the evening peak, and another at PG in about 1971 which I was involved in. Subject of another story when I get time...
|
|
|
Post by 100andthirty on Mar 28, 2009 18:29:59 GMT
I was a very young member of staff at the time, and there was a great deal of fuss. in those days trains had cast spoked centres - rather like the wheels on a car - with steel tyres that could be replaced. Some of these centres had what are best called lumps on the spokes to allow for a proximity detector to count the spokes and hence infer the train speed. (In those days having a speedometer was a bonus and an accurate one was rare as hen's teeth!). This lump wasn't well designed and there were high stresses where the lump joined the spokes, and they cracked.
This experience led to the elimination of centres and tyres. A stock was last. All the trains have for many years used wheels that have no reuseable elements. Once all the wear allowance has been used, the wheel is scrap.
|
|
towerman
My status is now now widower
Posts: 2,970
|
Post by towerman on Mar 28, 2009 18:49:09 GMT
Another problem that used to occur was the tyre working loose.
|
|
|
Post by antharro on Mar 28, 2009 20:27:12 GMT
Hold up... A stock had wheels and tyres?! Huh, I thought that stuff was phased out long before the A-stock was even a concept!
|
|
towerman
My status is now now widower
Posts: 2,970
|
Post by towerman on Mar 28, 2009 20:59:20 GMT
So did the 56/59/62TS the first stock with monoblock wheels was 67TS.
|
|
|
Post by tubeprune on Mar 28, 2009 21:49:58 GMT
My recollection is that 38TS onwards had spoked motor axles and solid trailer wheels. I think the 67TS had all solid wheels because of the reduced friction duty.
When did LU start using monobloc wheels?
|
|
towerman
My status is now now widower
Posts: 2,970
|
Post by towerman on Mar 28, 2009 23:18:06 GMT
If the 38TS was like the 59/62TS trailer wheels didn't have spokes but they weren't solid either,they had small holes in them maybe 3 or 4 can't remember which.
|
|
roythebus
Pleased to say the restoration of BEA coach MLL738 is as complete as it can be, now restoring MLL721
Posts: 1,275
|
Post by roythebus on Mar 28, 2009 23:40:52 GMT
IIRC all surface stock had spoked wheels. Even tyres on modern stock ar replacable. A stock had spoked wheels when I worked on them.
Tthe problems with the District wheels which caused problems were a batch made in Switzerland in 1926 (!!). The spokes had hairline fractures by 1971. All trains with those particular wheelsets had to be taken out of service for ultrasonic testing. There were considerable gaps in the service at the time and led to an extension of the life of Q stock!
The incident I remember was with a COP at PG, eastbound about 1630. I was 1600 spare and heard a train come in whistling for the fitter. It made a bit of a rattling when it stopped.
The motorman, Chad Morley, when asked by the fitter what's up replied "me wheels have fell orf". Lo and behold the flared side of the COP was resting on the platform.
To add to the fun, there was football at Chelsea that evening so the 14s would be slaughtered!
Then they discovered we'd soon run out of space to send trains to Wimbledon. PG w/b sidings were soon full up, e/b sidings could not be used! I was sent with my motorman to East Putney to relieve a crew. We worked shuttles East Putney-Wimbledon. eventually we had to put a train away as platforms at Wimbledon were used to berth stock as crews ran out of hours. One train was put in Wimbledon Park Depot and stayed there for quite a while until they got a loco to pull it back onto the 4th rail about a week later!
the line stayed shut for about a week while they decided how to move the errant train. It was evetually put on skids and taken back to Ealing Common for examination.
The earlier incident was in the late 60's, a Thursday evening. I was going to Kings Cross by no. 30 bus and saw an RLH passing Harrods with Railway emergency Service on the blinds, followed by a vast mixture of Railway Emergency Service buses. Whan I arrived at the Model Railway Club, I was told about the broken wheel on a train on the District, hence all the extra buses.
|
|
|
Post by stanmorek on Mar 29, 2009 0:22:58 GMT
This lump wasn't well designed and there were high stresses where the lump joined the spokes, and they cracked. This experience led to the elimination of centres and tyres. A stock was last. All the trains have for many years used wheels that have no reuseable elements. Once all the wear allowance has been used, the wheel is scrap. Every material has a finite fatigue life but at sharp corners the stress can be much higher and shorten the life. The Comet airliner crashes are a classic case. Were there design rules for fatigue of wheels back in the 1920s? Only a few years ago an escalator step chain drive shaft suffered a fatigue failure at Oxford Circus. All the drive shafts of that particular escalator machine types had to be replaced.
|
|