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Post by neasdena60 on Mar 24, 2009 20:18:49 GMT
Straight from the fleet manager himself today.
First test train on site september, after 10,000 test miles done on the track up north.
First ten 8 car trains due around sept 2010, which will trigger the first ten a stock to be scrapped as these enter service.
HOWEVER, all plans are currently under review, as not one of the fleet depots, ( neasden being the biggest problem ) have signed off plans to house, work on, maintain or even stable the new stock.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2009 20:32:02 GMT
Promise I won't hold my breath ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Colin on Mar 24, 2009 23:13:28 GMT
Well we already knew when the first train (actually train 2) was coming to London, and when they're due to enter service, but thanks anyway for the confirmation.
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Post by metman on Mar 25, 2009 0:41:23 GMT
First ten 8 car trains due around sept 2010, which will trigger the first ten a stock to be scrapped as these enter service. Nooooooo!!  This was a lot later than expected, but fair play? What is the chance of it being later than Sept 2010? |
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Post by carlovel1 on Mar 25, 2009 7:51:57 GMT
They should transfer the seats from the lovely metropolitan line onto the central line's horrible seats  ;D |
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Post by metman on Mar 25, 2009 8:13:15 GMT
They wouldn't fit!  |
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Post by carlovel1 on Mar 25, 2009 12:39:33 GMT
They wouldn't fit! There is always hope my friend so lets not give up   ;D |
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Post by tubeprune on Mar 25, 2009 13:28:52 GMT
OK, let's look at this sensibly. The test train is at Old Dalby. They turned the juice on on Monday. So now all they have to do is about 400 miles a week! I think they'll have to double-end it ;D.
As for stabling in London. They have 13 extra trains on order and they have lost 13 spaces due to the longer trains, so they need 26 additional spaces. So, maybe we are looking at the "S" word - STORAGE!!
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Post by Ben on Mar 25, 2009 14:01:53 GMT
Has it been decided where these 26 spaces will come from? I remember the huge thread on the subject of S stabling, but can't remember if a consensus was reached.
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Post by neasdena60 on Mar 25, 2009 17:06:59 GMT
Promise I won't hold my breath ;D ;D ;D SPOT ON. you cannot have a train without a depot..... |
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Post by neasdena60 on Mar 25, 2009 17:08:48 GMT
First ten 8 car trains due around sept 2010, which will trigger the first ten a stock to be scrapped as these enter service. Nooooooo!! This was a lot later than expected, but fair play? What is the chance of it being later than Sept 2010? Much later from easter, back to september. With regard to sept 2010, who knows, everything is up in the air. |
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Post by a60 on Jun 1, 2009 16:18:47 GMT
I think the S Stock might be a bit too high for the Finchley Road - Baker St Tunnels, it is a fair bit higher than the A Stock.
Could be a few issues here with the S Stock.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2009 16:36:17 GMT
Could it be that they only look taller as the floor is lower compared to A stock?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 1, 2009 16:38:23 GMT
I think the S Stock might be a bit too high for the Finchley Road - Baker St Tunnels, it is a fair bit higher than the A Stock. Could be a few issues here with the S Stock. haha! Such a fundamental flaw being overlooked is frankly hysterical! (but typical!) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2009 16:42:10 GMT
I think the S Stock might be a bit too high for the Finchley Road - Baker St Tunnels, it is a fair bit higher than the A Stock. Could be a few issues here with the S Stock. I can't think that anyone would be so stupid as to order trains that are too high for the tunnels!! Mind you, as far as I'm aware, no platforms are going to be extended due to a shortfall of cash, so at some stations the 7 car train will be sitting with a car and a half up the tunnel!! The 8 car trains are also longer than the A stock, so maybe there will be quite a few issues to be dealt with. |
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Post by metman on Jun 1, 2009 16:58:06 GMT
The 1983 stock was made too big, you never know? Mind you, that was the least of their problems.....
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Post by 21146 on Jun 1, 2009 17:12:17 GMT
I think the S Stock might be a bit too high for the Finchley Road - Baker St Tunnels, it is a fair bit higher than the A Stock. Could be a few issues here with the S Stock. I can't think that anyone would be so stupid as to order trains that are too high for the tunnels!! Mind you, as far as I'm aware, no platforms are going to be extended due to a shortfall of cash, so at some stations the 7 car train will be sitting with a car and a half up the tunnel!! The 8 car trains are also longer than the A stock, so maybe there will be quite a few issues to be dealt with. If it's the front and rear both part in tunnel that's going to be great for cab access and the driver's working environment. Having spent some (official) time in the cabs of 1996TS I found the PEDs created a very depressing and claustrophobic feeling. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2009 17:21:25 GMT
Surely it's only the 4 stations (Notting Hill, Bayswater, Edgware Road and Baker Street) that are too short for the 7 cars?
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Post by elo10538 on Jun 1, 2009 17:22:53 GMT
The latest I've heard regarding the initial storage of S stock straight from delivery via Aylesbury and Amersham, is that it will go to Lillie Bridge, evicting Transplant's stock to Ruislip, to make the siding space available. We shall see!!
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Post by Ben on Jun 1, 2009 18:02:00 GMT
Aylesbury and Amersham? So it will have to reverse at Harrowish and Rayners then...or travel through Zone 1. If the reinstated a crossover at Ealing between NR and LUL it wouldnt have to reverse on its journey atall. That would probably cost too much money though. Or store it at Ruislip Depot.
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Post by 21146 on Jun 1, 2009 18:31:06 GMT
Surely it's only the 4 stations (Notting Hill, Bayswater, Edgware Road and Baker Street) that are too short for the 7 cars? Plus most of the Hammersmith branch. |
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Post by 21146 on Jun 1, 2009 18:34:22 GMT
Aylesbury and Amersham? So it will have to reverse at Harrowish and Rayners then...or travel through Zone 1. If the reinstated a crossover at Ealing between NR and LUL it wouldnt have to reverse on its journey atall. That would probably cost too much money though. Or store it at Ruislip Depot. To reach the District Line would mean reversing and surely the block train, plus top & tail diesels, barrier vehicles would be too long for platform 7. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2009 18:38:51 GMT
If it's the front and rear both part in tunnel that's going to be great for cab access and the driver's working environment. Having spent some (official) time in the cabs of 1996TS I found the PEDs created a very depressing and claustrophobic feeling. Surely it's only the 4 stations (Notting Hill, Bayswater, Edgware Road and Baker Street) that are too short for the 7 cars? Plus most of the Hammersmith branch. Could the 'catwalks' be built for staff to be able to leave the cabs more easily at the surface stations? |
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Post by Tomcakes on Jun 1, 2009 18:40:34 GMT
I can't think that anyone would be so stupid as to order trains that are too high for the tunnels!! Mind you, as far as I'm aware, no platforms are going to be extended due to a shortfall of cash, so at some stations the 7 car train will be sitting with a car and a half up the tunnel!! The 8 car trains are also longer than the A stock, so maybe there will be quite a few issues to be dealt with. If it's the front and rear both part in tunnel that's going to be great for cab access and the driver's working environment. Having spent some (official) time in the cabs of 1996TS I found the PEDs created a very depressing and claustrophobic feeling. Won't this cause problems when the driver needs to step on the platform - eg (IIRC) if CSDE isn't working, or on some types of OMO monitor defect? |
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Post by 21146 on Jun 1, 2009 19:02:25 GMT
Surely it's only the 4 stations (Notting Hill, Bayswater, Edgware Road and Baker Street) that are too short for the 7 cars? Plus most of the Hammersmith branch. I believe Hammersmith ticket office will have to go to allow 7-cars to berth in the Met station. |
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Post by Colin on Jun 2, 2009 2:02:29 GMT
Aylesbury and Amersham? So it will have to reverse at Harrowish and Rayners then...or travel through Zone 1. If the reinstated a crossover at Ealing between NR and LUL it wouldnt have to reverse on its journey atall. That would probably cost too much money though. Or store it at Ruislip Depot. They will come by rail, that's a given - but they only need to make it to a depot (probably Ruislip if history is anything to go by). From then on whats to stop them running under their own power, particularly on the Met? The District's S7's could easily go to Ealing Common depot (From Ruislip) via South Harrow. Mind you - they could also, at least in theory, join the District via the link at Barking; that would certainly be difficult given that it requires a possession to use the link, but it's a possibility nonetheless. Perhaps the most ideal of all would have been the Upminster link...straight into the depot and the job's a good 'un. Pity it'll never happen now EDIT: of course there is also the reverse side of things - as the S stock is delivered, the displaced stock has to go. There doesn't seem to have been much said regarding where these will go or how they'll get there - maybe that will have some influence on how things are done?  |
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Post by bassmike on Jun 2, 2009 11:33:37 GMT
re storage of s stock why not on ex thameslink tracks to moorgate? easy enough to connect.
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Post by Chris M on Jun 2, 2009 15:12:17 GMT
I thought that those tracks were going to be severed from everything else quite soon?
If so, and there are no plans to permanently stable trains there (I can't remember) I can't see them installing any additional pointwork to access them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2009 16:55:37 GMT
If it's the front and rear both part in tunnel that's going to be great for cab access and the driver's working environment. Having spent some (official) time in the cabs of 1996TS I found the PEDs created a very depressing and claustrophobic feeling. Won't this cause problems when the driver needs to step on the platform - eg (IIRC) if CSDE isn't working, or on some types of OMO monitor defect? If for example the train is at Baker St westbound, the train will have to stop approximately one and a half cars up the tunnel to clear the junction behind it. Should the T/Op need to get out, he/she will have to walk through the car. If a handsignal person is on the platform, then the train will have to stop, get whatever message from the HSP, then pull up the tunnel to the stopping mark. Not only a recipe for PEA's being operated, but also for the T/Op to lose concentration and inadvertantly carry on to Edgware Road. More straight forward on the eastbound as the rear portion will be left up the tunnel. I'll be very surprised if HMRI allow these scenarios to be adopted as standard practice. |
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Post by towerman on Jun 2, 2009 17:55:10 GMT
Scrap stock was usually stored at Ruislip too,when the 38s were going they brought a 72 in and took a 38 back.
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