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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2006 23:04:42 GMT
I can't help but think that if the District Line ran exactly that service you described, you'd then be asking why LU doesn't run a simple Olympia - HSK shuttle, Tower Hill - Ealing, Richmond - Upminster, Wimbledon - Edgware Rd/Upminster...and we'll be back to where we started!
A Tower Hill - Olympia service would be a bad move from a passengers perspective IMO. Passengers boarding District Line trains at stations between Tower Hill and South Ken, would much rather have direct trains to Ealing, (more people would want to travel to stations on the Ealing/Richmond trains rather than to Olympia) and having an Olympia train every cycle will take away one slot.
And conversely, passengers travelling from stations on the Ealing branch would benefit more from a train direct into town, at least Tower Hill, rather than have a HSK train and be forced to change at Earls Court.
Also with Olympia being a single line, makes it more ideal to have a simple short shuttle. I'm not aware of passenger numbers on the Olympia branch, but would guess its far less than the passenger numbers between the Ealing branch and Central London, except for Olympia exhibition events.
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Post by Ben on Oct 14, 2006 1:02:56 GMT
They should have put the link back in from the H&C to the West London line. That way (now) you could have a Latimer Road-Shepards Bush Market-Olympia-Earls Court-HSK shuttle, and I'm sure that would deffinately be a lot more useful to people then just the olympia-HSK atm.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2006 6:20:39 GMT
I can't help but think that if the District Line ran exactly that service you described, you'd then be asking why LU doesn't run a simple Olympia - HSK shuttle! If you hadn't posted that, I would have. |
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Post by Oracle on Oct 14, 2006 7:49:44 GMT
At least you have an everyday service! The Exhibition-only service was piecemeal because you never knew when one was on.
When in fact was the last time that there was a through Olympia service? It is before my time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2006 8:10:03 GMT
The last through Olympia service was during the track replacement works at Barons Court. District drivers were diagrammed to take C stock back and forth between Olympia and Edgware Road all day, with the C stock diagrams down the Wimbo branch replaced with D stocks diverted from Richmond and Ealing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2006 9:07:55 GMT
Some years ago there was the odd train from Edgware Road to Olympia at the end of the morning peak, dunno why. More curious is that the platform train describers on the inner rail "green and yellow" stations (well, Bayswater at least - I suppose they're all alike) still say something like "if no Wimbledon train is shown, take Olympia train and change at Earl's Court" although they are new kit. Are there any other examples elsewhere on the system of passengers being advised how to cope with inconveniences that don't ever happen  ? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2006 16:52:46 GMT
Some years ago there was the odd train from Edgware Road to Olympia at the end of the morning peak, What did this 'odd' train look like? Was it sky blue pink with balloons on it? [where's Solidbond?] Or did it have some other unusual feature? Must have been some modern type of train because it didn't last. If it was something built in the 1940s it would have gone on and on forever ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2006 19:34:19 GMT
I remember I think it was at the start of the 1990's when the C stock off peak working was Wim-Edg Rd-Olympia-Edg Rd-Wim-Edg Rd- Olympia- Edg Rd etc, etc, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2006 0:54:10 GMT
For the life of me I never know why Olympias have to hack back and forth to High Street? They should have an all day Olympia-Tower Hill run. Better still re-cast the whole working setup and have Ealing-High Street, Wimbledon-Edgware Road/Dagenham E, Richmond Upminster Olympia-Tower Hill for the off peak pattern. Should be a bit easier to alleviate disruptions too. I agree with Hindenberg, I'd recast the lot so there would be some through trains in each hour to all destinations (Edgware Road excepted) failing that I'd do almost what Hindenberg suggests (without the Dagenham Reversers and with part of the Ealing Service running to Mansion House rather than every one to High Street). On Sundays I'd change to Wimbledon - Upminster and Richmond - Barking. As it stands there is no easy way of reversing Richmond / Upminsters without generating a nasty gap, however Wimbo - Barkings can be turned at either end ! The other night my train was diverted to form an impromtu Olympia running through the city, arrived at Olympia after the last Olympia had run and finished ...and oddly I took 22 passengers up there and brought 2 others back !!! Just for the record of course Train 152 forms a scheduled through working Mon - Fri 23.37 Olympia - Upminster |
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Post by Colin on Oct 17, 2006 8:09:04 GMT
I don't think a 'through' service to/from Olympia is practical on the basis that it's a single line. When we ran the Edgware Road / Olympia service during the Barons Court works, we quite often got held on the approach to Olympia waiting for the previous train to clear the single line. Also, where would you turn a late running 'through' Olympia train? Earls Court?
The current off peak service is set up such that each train goes near a depot (or can be changed over in the case of C stock) at some point during a round trip.
Personally, I see nothing wrong with the current off peak set up.
Incidentally, I too went up to Olympia after you did Aspect - but I was nasty in that I tipped the train out at Earls Court (and confused the station staff in the process as the train was on platform 4 and had arrived with Earls Court on the front ;D ;D).
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Post by Oracle on Oct 17, 2006 8:33:33 GMT
This Olympia business is all Greek to me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2006 9:07:35 GMT
Incidentally, I too went up to Olympia after you did Aspect - but I was nasty in that I tipped the train out at Earls Court (and confused the station staff in the process as the train was on platform 4 and had arrived with Earls Court on the front ;D ;D). Ahh, you were on Train 104 ! .... and considering you were next Upminster after me then ...you were some way behind ...I heard you called up at Olympia when I was at St James's Park !!! Olympia's in 3, Earl's Court reversers in 4 !!! No wonder the poor dears were confused !! What did the indicator boards show for your train  |
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Post by Colin on Oct 17, 2006 9:35:19 GMT
Ahh, you were on Train 104 ! .... and considering you were next Upminster after me then ...you were some way behind ...I heard you called up at Olympia when I was at St James's Park !!! I was indeed on 104 - I got told to remain at Olympia as there were still trains west of Earls Court that had to go east. 'They' may as well have sent me to Parsons Green, or reversed me at Gunnersbury Olympia's in 3, Earl's Court reversers in 4 !!! No wonder the poor dears were confused !! What did the indicator boards show for your train To start with, the original destination - Richmond. The punters were well happy when it changed to Wimbledon ;D ;D Then it changed to Oylmpia - and I was out of there like a feret up a trouser leg - I'm glad I'm not station staff at Earls Court anymore  ;D ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2006 16:16:23 GMT
I don't think a 'through' service to/from Olympia is practical on the basis that it's a single line. When we ran the Edgware Road / Olympia service during the Barons Court works, we quite often got held on the approach to Olympia waiting for the previous train to clear the single line. Also, where would you turn a late running 'through' Olympia train? Earls Court? The single line is a slight handicap ... though you are clear of the junction with the main before you are at the waiting signal ...and i suppose it's no different to waiting at any of the other termini, for a departing train to leave and clear the pointwork. Remember, when the C stock were running Olympia - Edgware Road, they were running every 10 mins rather than the usual scheduled 15 to Olympia. Theoretical late running Olympia's "could" be turned at Earl's Court if returning on the main. But in practise and like the Ealing and Richmond service's they'd probably be turned at Dagenham East (Upminster's) and Mansion House (Tower's). (The desire to get a train every 10 mins on the main western branches often results in an inadvertent much larger gaps between Dagenham and Upminster !! ) |
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