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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2006 17:19:22 GMT
Ooo, I'm also on nights and was the pen-ultimate Upminster last night (and first out in the morning.) supervisor at Turnham Green on train 41? That would have been a Barking driver, our night man gets off at Barking on the west on train 41.
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Post by Colin on Oct 14, 2006 17:07:32 GMT
That's told me then ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2006 20:58:43 GMT
We have now put faces to names ;D ;D ;D.... I would not have guessed that you were you Colin ! LOL ! I did indeed have a problem (inflicted upon me) at Upminster, but best leave that comment at that. Was it you who came scooting past me then (in, i think 121 ) Still no connect fitted train for me
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2006 7:15:26 GMT
We have now put faces to names ;D ;D ;D.... I would not have guessed that you were you Colin ! LOL ! Likewise, I also had the pleasure of meeting Colin for the first time when he took me off at Earls Court last night.
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Post by Colin on Oct 15, 2006 17:19:40 GMT
Was it you who came scooting past me then (in, i think 121 ) Was I going that fast? ;D It was train 122 - yes it was me
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2006 0:42:32 GMT
Well I was duely issued with my personal Connect handset and call number today ;D Seemed OK, I thought all messages were being relayed via connect and the old system at the moment ? However my connect set was only getting about 3/4 of the messages my non-connect fitted trains were A PEA at Becontree put it to a live test. Control responded to my call about the alarm, and then to my notification of the problem (unattened bag) but I then could not raise them to advise of the all clear and after 5 attempts, I made use of the "plcae call in queue request a call back" facility ..... but never in fact received a call back ! It is very mobile phone ish ...but like an ancient brick type ! Except the orange button on the top that looks all the world like every other phones on/off button is in fact the mayday button, resulting in at least 15 spurious emergency calls to control overheard during my shift !!
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Post by Colin on Oct 17, 2006 8:15:41 GMT
Got mine last night too - and like you, I'm sure the 'old' system on train saw more traffic...... I also found out that one of the buttons on the side (next to the PTT button) sends a call request to the line controller too ;D ;D ;D I gather the hand helds, some what surprisingly, are being rather well recevied at the moment, with lot's of exchanges of numbers going on in the messrooms ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2006 8:36:01 GMT
It's almost like being back in school again, huh? ;D
How long are the handheld's batteries supposed to last?
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Post by Colin on Oct 17, 2006 9:45:33 GMT
I was issued with mine at 2300 last night. I turned it off when I arrived at Upminster at 0128 *cough* 0136. It went on again at 0450 until 0710. Thats about 4 hours 50 minutes use (radio traffic was fairly light) - the battery is now dead Ok, that's straight out of the box - but the battery indicator showed around three quaters of full battery charge. I expect a full battery will certainly cover an 8 hour shift, but wether the batteries will stand everyday use remains to be seen......
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2006 10:23:29 GMT
Seeing as how these radios are supposed to be a semipermanent possession of the T/Op, have you been issued with recharging equipment?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2006 10:30:35 GMT
Ok, that's straight out of the box - but the battery indicator showed around three quaters of full battery charge. I expect a full battery will certainly cover an 8 hour shift, but wether the batteries will stand everyday use remains to be seen...... I believe most rechargeable battery operated devices are shipped, stored and sold with only partially charged batteries. Presumably for safety reasons. It takes a full discharge-charge cycle to know actual battery life for these things. A full shift length plus margin of battery life would be minimum I suppose.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 17, 2006 12:14:19 GMT
Seeing as how these radios are supposed to be a semipermanent possession of the T/Op, have you been issued with recharging equipment? No, we are not issued with recharging equipment. A rack of battery chargers is laying on a table at Acton & we simply change the battery over, at the start of a shift would be most appropriate I guess. In the blue Motorola box comes a belt clip, in two pieces.
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Post by Colin on Oct 18, 2006 8:30:56 GMT
A little update stations wise - according to two different sources, the following stations are now using Connect:
Upminster Bridge Elm Park Dagenham East Dagenham Heathway Becontree Upney Barking (detrainment staff only) East Ham Upton Park Plaistow Bromley-By-Bow Bow Road Stepney Green Whitechapel Tower Hill Cannon Street
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2006 16:04:58 GMT
A little update stations wise - according to two different sources, the following stations are now using Connect: Upminster Bridge Elm Park Dagenham East Dagenham Heathway Becontree Upney Barking (detrainment staff only) East Ham Upton Park Plaistow Bromley-By-Bow Bow Road Stepney Green Whitechapel Tower Hill Cannon Street Colin ! You on nights again !!!!! Now that's almost all of the east end stations ?? Was the absence of Hornchurch (the only missing one) intentional ? For some reason the quick dial programmed into the phone (or at least my phone) seems to omit Upminster Bridge ... I wonder why ?? (It also seems to have call groups for Upminster TOP, Barking TOP and Acton TOP but not Earl's Court TOP .... or is that not a group to call all T/ops of a particular depot ) Yesterday the controller put out a call telling drivers to stop trying to call the signal boxes / operators as they have no equpitment yet. Now today, for the first time, I could hear both sides of some conversations with the controller. About time ... but why first time today ...and then only some calls - I assume other calls were on connect as my phone still showed the callers connect id number) My battery, from the box, not a fresh charged one, has just managed 22 hours, switched on hours, but is now showing red ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2006 17:26:16 GMT
A little update stations wise - according to two different sources, the following stations are now using Connect: Upminster Bridge Elm Park Dagenham East Dagenham Heathway Becontree Upney Barking (detrainment staff only) East Ham Upton Park Plaistow Bromley-By-Bow Bow Road Stepney Green Whitechapel Tower Hill Cannon Street Colin ! You on nights again !!!!! Now that's almost all of the east end stations ?? Was the absence of Hornchurch (the only missing one) intentional ? There's more than one missing. Upminster, West Ham, Mile End, Aldgate East in the East End are missing and Monument to the west. I expect it's no coincidence most of these stations are interchanges with other lines.
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Post by Colin on Oct 18, 2006 18:53:29 GMT
I had indeed missed out Hornchurch - due to tiredness ;D ;D ;D Upminster is a c2c station, West Ham is part of the Stratford group on the Jubilee line, Mile End belongs to the Leytonstone group on the Central line, Aldgate East is a Liverpool Street group station on the Met and Monument is another Central line station belonging to the Bank group - so these stations are not part of the District Connect system.......yet. For some reason the quick dial programmed into the phone (or at least my phone) seems to omit Upminster Bridge ... I wonder why ?? (It also seems to have call groups for Upminster TOP, Barking TOP and Acton TOP but not Earl's Court TOP .... or is that not a group to call all T/ops of a particular depot ) Earls Court DMT is indeed missing for some reason that cannot be explained by the I/Ops - certainly at the west end of the line. I do know the number for the Earls Court DMT though - if anyone wants it, PM me. Also if you want to get rid of things like predictive text, there is a useful leaflet now available in the booking point at Earls Court - I don't if it's available anywhere else
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Post by Colin on Oct 19, 2006 7:50:29 GMT
I had a chat with trainopd78 last night (he's having internet connection issue's - hence his lack of input here) - he is looking to put together a directory of useful numbers for Connect. Between us, we have the numbers for the DMT dispatcher units at Acton Town, Earls Court & Upminster - but are lacking Barking. Can any of you east end boys help (by PM)?
The latest (from trainopd78) is that there should be 30 Connect D stocks in service from today - can anyone confirm (as we're both rest day for two days now)?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2006 11:14:47 GMT
As the handhelds are 'personal', do you take them home with you? I take it you can't listen in, unless you live very close to a station or track, can you?
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Post by Colin on Oct 19, 2006 11:36:23 GMT
Yes, we can take them home (though of course if it gets lost or damaged, etc........well, there'll be trouble ;D. No, you can't get a signal - unless you are within 50 metres of an LUL running line.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2006 15:31:26 GMT
DISTRICT LINE: Minor delays are occurring due to faulty communication equipment earlier.
Message received 1:51pm
anything to do with Connect?
with 30 trains done, how many more are there to do? (how many D stocks are there?)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2006 15:53:35 GMT
DISTRICT LINE: Minor delays are occurring due to faulty communication equipment earlier. Message received 1:51pm anything to do with Connect? Both the Circle and the District had the problem at exactly the same time so I assume it was the old system.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2006 15:54:53 GMT
DISTRICT LINE: Minor delays are occurring due to faulty communication equipment earlier. Message received 1:51pm anything to do with Connect? with 30 trains done, how many more are there to do? (how many D stocks are there?) I don't know what the problems are as I'm not working today. There are 75 D stock trains in total
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2006 16:02:26 GMT
DISTRICT LINE: Minor delays are occurring due to faulty communication equipment earlier. Message received 1:51pm anything to do with Connect? Both the Circle and the District had the problem at exactly the same time so I assume it was the old system. Not necessarily. Anything that would delay the District would have merely a knock on effect with the Circle due to track sharing.
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Post by Colin on Oct 25, 2006 10:07:01 GMT
I meant to post this a couple of days ago, but I completely forgot Anyway, the latest is that all D stocks are now Connect enabled meaning communication between the line controller and all D stocks is now through Connect only. Stations west of Cannon Street are slated to switch over to Connect from 30th October. Signal operators will start to join in with Connect from the 30th October as well, though not all at the same time - this will be 'phased'. Finally, from the District's point of view, the C stocks are planned to be Connect enabled starting on the 8th November, with the completion of C stocks by 13th November.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2006 11:22:46 GMT
Now that all the D stocks are using Connect, have the traditional 'dead spots' vanished?
Has the new station call mechanism been used in anger yet?
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Post by Colin on Oct 25, 2006 11:50:33 GMT
Now that all the D stocks are using Connect, have the traditional 'dead spots' vanished? As Connect is a completely different system, using completely different infrastructure - yes, the traditional dead spots have gone. But........there some slight niggles with Connect, such as the slight delay caused by the cab units changing from one section to the next. Or the fact that one or two units in the cabs seem to take it upon themselves to sign out of the system Has the new station call mechanism been used in anger yet? Only stations on the east end of the District are 'Connected' - which I suppose you could argue is the end of the line where the facility would be most useful - however it's not been used to my knowledge. There are basically two ways of contacting a station - the first one is by selecting that stations group on the hand held, thereby becoming part of the stations radio group. The other way is to call a specific hand set, which can be done from the cab unit or on the hand held. That's great if you have the number you need....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2006 14:14:32 GMT
Thanks for the update Colin!
In an earlier post you mentioned something about not being able to use all Connect features until more places and people are 'connected'. What kind of features should I think of and who has to be connected to make use of them?
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Post by Chris M on Oct 25, 2006 14:15:48 GMT
Presumably as each one of the receivers is in a fixed place it will be possible to assign them a designated emergency contact number. I'd have therefore thought it possible for an ermgency "contact the next station" feature to be possible - i.e. the driver presses the relevant button and your unit sends the message to the beacon with a code that the beacon interprets as "forward to the emergency contact number", whatever it is. In the event of a station being closed I wouldn't have thought it too hard to get the system to be told to forward the message onwards.
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Post by Chris M on Oct 25, 2006 14:18:19 GMT
It is very mobile phone ish ...but like an ancient brick type ! Given that it was originally meant to be Connect 2000, and either Harsig or Citysig commenting on their units using CRT technology rather than flatscreens, I imagine that the handheld units would be about equivalent to the mobile phones of the late 1990s!
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Post by stanmorek on Oct 25, 2006 14:55:44 GMT
I can see why LU are not wanting to dictate the detailed design of the new trains. The technology could be out of date by the time of roll out. PPP contractors risk.
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