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Post by Ben on Mar 13, 2009 17:21:09 GMT
As a lot of you would have seen, the stations on LUL have their annual usage figures quoted for the past 2 or 3 years on their respective wiki pages. Does TfL perhaps have this information for NWeald, Blake Hall (pushing it perhaps) and Ongar for their final years of opperation? Would be interesting to put these up.
Many thanks!
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Post by carlovel1 on Mar 13, 2009 20:47:16 GMT
As a lot of you would have seen, the stations on LUL have their annual usage figures quoted for the past 2 or 3 years on their respective wiki pages. Does TfL perhaps have this information for NWeald, Blake Hall (pushing it perhaps) and Ongar for their final years of opperation? Would be interesting to put these up. Many thanks! I cant remember if it was Blake Hall or North Weald but on a day , the average of people entering and exiting the station was 8 or 9 people
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Post by slugabed on Mar 13, 2009 21:17:56 GMT
As a lot of you would have seen, the stations on LUL have their annual usage figures quoted for the past 2 or 3 years on their respective wiki pages. Does TfL perhaps have this information for NWeald, Blake Hall (pushing it perhaps) and Ongar for their final years of opperation? Would be interesting to put these up. Many thanks! I cant remember if it was Blake Hall or North Weald but on a day , the average of people entering and exiting the station was 8 or 9 people It was almost certainly Blake Hall. In the 70s it was said to average 17 passengers a day.The Wikipedia article cites that,at the time of closure,(1981),this had dropped to 6 a day. The gardening was kept very smart,though!
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Post by happybunny on Mar 13, 2009 22:01:11 GMT
Would have loved to be the SS there !!
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Post by carlovel1 on Mar 13, 2009 22:12:29 GMT
Would have loved to be the SS there !! What do u mean by 'SS' ;D
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Post by slugabed on Mar 13, 2009 22:20:58 GMT
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Post by mrfs42 on Mar 13, 2009 22:32:16 GMT
Would have loved to be the SS there !! What do u mean by 'SS' ;D Station Supervisor.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2009 0:59:45 GMT
I believe that, for most trains, the number of passengers getting on or off at Blake Hall could have been counted on one finger.
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Post by Ben on Mar 14, 2009 3:01:08 GMT
This is the thing though; the number of passengers has entered into lore; many people have commented on the fact that so few people used the station; im wondering though if stats did exist for the period
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Post by carlovel1 on Mar 14, 2009 11:02:43 GMT
What do u mean by 'SS' ;D Station Supervisor. Oh , thank you
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2009 13:16:28 GMT
The Supervisor at North Weald and Ongar were supposed to count and log numbers of all out going passengers, in the last year or so of the service. One superviser at Ongar used to bolster the figures to make things look busier than they actually were.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2009 13:18:47 GMT
I'm sure such figures would be available from old records on tickets sold...
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Post by oystercard on May 4, 2009 21:07:37 GMT
It looks so remote. Hard to believe that it was once part of the Central Line. Imagine commuting from there to Bank everyday, very nice.
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Post by roythebus on May 6, 2009 6:47:36 GMT
It draws a parallel with the Woodside-Sanderstead branch, now part of Tramlink. I worked on theat in the late 70's and there was usually someone doing loadings surveys there.
What BR used to do was to "modernise" the stations, new signs, paint platform edges, replace semaphores with colour lights etc to make the actual running cocts far higher than they need be in order to make the line uneconomic. I don't know if LT done the same on the Ongar line.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2009 11:27:49 GMT
LT agonised for some time about whether to electrify Epping to Ongar. I seem to recall reading that there was some thought of borrowing a GWR diesel railcar from BR to see whether it would be adequate.
It seems strange that LT kept running multi-car sets on this line. I would have thought that, most of the time, a single car could have been used with one-person operation, as at Acton.
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Post by Oracle on May 6, 2009 11:58:05 GMT
As I see it, we are having down here on the Lymington branch an example of the problem with non-standard electric units. After running 3-CIGs, basically 1950s-generation Mk 1 stock (four-cars less a trailer), for some time it has become clear that they have component and repair costs associated with them being unique, and spares shortages. The suggestion is now that possibly from December the two units will be withdrawn and 4-cars 450s used instead, as has happened on occasions in the past. De-electrification and use of 2-car Class 158 DMUs has also been mooted and apparently a trial was scheduled recently with a 158 but it seems never took place.
If you have a unit that is the same as those used elsewhere on a network then you have economic and other benefits. The 1962 Stock that was in theory dedicated to the Aldwych branch was once actually filmed whilst being used in 'main-line' Picc service with a 3-car 1959 Stock.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2009 19:27:46 GMT
508 sets would be ideal for Lymington when the slammers go (as inevitably they will) - or a 313 maybe ....
Waste of a 100mph 450 or a 90 mph 158 IMHO
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2009 16:29:07 GMT
I spoke to an SWT manager quite recently, and he did confirm that the use of class 508's ex South Eastern *was* actually being talked about. It was discounted because of the uniqueness of the stock on their patch. He did not say what would end up on the branch, but did drop in a hint that Ampress Works would be reopened to serve a hospital and new housing developments.
I thought, they were outwardly very similar to the 455/8 family? The slammers are due off at the December t/t change. Sad end to a revolutionary form of motive power, for its time.
Anyway, bringing the thread back on topic, for the year 1993, just under 30,000 people used Ongar. For North Weald it's slightly under 20,000. If you consider the rather limited services, thats quite a fair number of users, per day!
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Post by Ben on Jun 21, 2009 17:50:53 GMT
That seems quite a good patronage for 5 (?) journies daily. Out of interest what figure was Epping on then for comparison? Thanks ATO, thats really interesting. Don't suppose you have an exact figure and a source so it can be quoted on wiki, do you?
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Post by Oracle on Jun 21, 2009 18:35:07 GMT
So far as is known, 158s were to be used during the week then 450s at weekends. Hence the trials of a 158 recently.
To explain about WELLWORTHY AMPRESS WORKS HALT, the platform is short and was refurbished a while back but access to it is up steep steps from Ampress Way I think ity is called, but through the Somerfield su[ermarket/filling station. The gate is locked. Past press reports have suggested that the Halt will have to be relocated as a consequence, as it is not DDA-compliant. It really is a shame that it cannot at present be used as the car park is far too small, and there is not enough public transport (buses) that serve the hospital. In adddition there is new housing locally, and a burgeoning industrial estate on the works site. Visitors come from all over the area to the hospital and it would be very helpful if there was a railway stop.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2009 18:55:04 GMT
Epping is given as 1.2million.
The figures quoted are as given in the documentation I have.
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Post by cetacean on Jun 21, 2009 20:22:16 GMT
I thought, they were outwardly very similar to the 455/8 family? 508s are 1970s PEP-based stock. 455s are 1980s Mark 3-derived stock with a PEP trailer inserted. I can well imagine they require completely different parts and maintenance regimes.
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Post by astock5000 on Jun 22, 2009 16:31:24 GMT
The 1962 Stock that was in theory dedicated to the Aldwych branch was once actually filmed whilst being used in 'main-line' Picc service with a 3-car 1959 Stock. I thought that 62TS unit was a 3-car, so wouldn't it have been running with a 4-car 59TS? I spoke to an SWT manager quite recently, and he did confirm that the use of class 508's ex South Eastern *was* actually being talked about. It was discounted because of the uniqueness of the stock on their patch. He did not say what would end up on the branch, but did drop in a hint that Ampress Works would be reopened to serve a hospital and new housing developments. I thought, they were outwardly very similar to the 455/8 family? The 455/7s are the units with class 508 trailers. Could SWT use class 455s on the Lymington branch?
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Post by Oracle on Jun 22, 2009 17:11:22 GMT
I think 455s come down to Bournemouth TMD occasionally but I cannot see how the cost of non-standard units (non-standard with the rest of the Depot's charges) can be justified. Obviously there are 450s around at weekends, and there will apparently be a 158 or two which can run down from Salisbury via Chandlers Ford. In the past the unit that ran on the branch left Eastleigh at just after 0600 and ran in service to Brockenhurst, using the now rearely-traversed P4 points (they are only used in the Down direction). In all of my years I have only ever seen one train uise the Down main to p4 connection!
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