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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2009 16:27:35 GMT
The other day I twice saw a London Midland Desiro unit travelling (without passengers) on the West London line. Does anyone know why this might be?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2009 16:35:18 GMT
They're under testing to temporarily replace the class 377s on the Milton Keynes to East Croydon service due to delays in the Thameslink programme.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2009 16:40:26 GMT
They're under testing to temporarily replace the class 377s on the Milton Keynes to East Croydon service due to delays in the Thameslink programme. Cor! Why not just permanently use them? They look like right plush trains (2x2 seating with tables, rather than the 3x2 versions on SWT), from what I've seen of them. |
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Post by thc on Mar 9, 2009 17:24:22 GMT
That would be the Class 350/1s, which are the trains to be used temporarily on the WLL as they have third-rail shoegear. The Clsss 350/2s currently being delivered to LM are 3+2 seating and AC-equipped only.
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Post by upfast on Mar 9, 2009 18:15:00 GMT
And they are being crewed by EWS drivers. Don't know who are providing the guards though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2009 20:18:08 GMT
They're under testing to temporarily replace the class 377s on the Milton Keynes to East Croydon service due to delays in the Thameslink programme. Cor! Why not just permanently use them? They look like right plush trains (2x2 seating with tables, rather than the 3x2 versions on SWT), from what I've seen of them. 350/1s are essentially 450s with 444 seating. Don't like any Desiro myself, would much rather have a bubble car  They're not going to be permanently used on the basis that the class 377/2s that Southern have need to be given to FCC to cover for the delays in 377/5 delivery for FCC. As a result, London Midland are also keeping the 321s for longer until they can 'de-cascade' the stock. As upfast said, being crewed by EWS drivers - and will be Southern guards. One has been at Selhurst for about two weeks for guard training ready for the KO0 timetable transfer. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2009 20:48:42 GMT
Cor! Why not just permanently use them? They look like right plush trains (2x2 seating with tables, rather than the 3x2 versions on SWT), from what I've seen of them. 350/1s are essentially 450s with 444 seating. Don't like any Desiro myself, would much rather have a bubble car They're not going to be permanently used on the basis that the class 377/2s that Southern have need to be given to FCC to cover for the delays in 377/5 delivery for FCC. As a result, London Midland are also keeping the 321s for longer until they can 'de-cascade' the stock. As upfast said, being crewed by EWS drivers - and will be Southern guards. One has been at Selhurst for about two weeks for guard training ready for the KO0 timetable transfer. Its not EWS anymore, its DB Schenker now 350114 was sent back to Northampton and 350118 went the other way round to Selhurst. Ta IK |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2009 21:03:26 GMT
I know, but who says DBS? Once EWS, always EWS...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2009 12:10:28 GMT
No, Once BR, always BR! Perchance to dream...... I have to say that I would be surprised if EWS (DBS) crews have been trained on 'Disastros' as I cannot imagine them having the training paid for. They may be piloting other companies Drivers.
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Post by thc on Mar 11, 2009 12:20:09 GMT
"Disastros"? I can only assume that you don't use them as a passenger. I do, and consider them way better in terms of the passenger environment and experience than the Mk1 derivatives that went before. Indeed, I've only ever heard favourable comments from other users. IMO, they beat the Junipers and Electrostars, as used elsewhere on ex-SR services, hands down.
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Post by DrOne on Mar 11, 2009 15:53:10 GMT
I'm a fan of the Desiros too and wish there were even more of them. Always wondered why the WLL service isn't run by LM as it seems more a part of the WCML line than the BML now.
Although the Electrostars are a bit less interesting they admittedly do a fine job on all the lines out to the coast, in all their various permutations.
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Post by mrfs42 on Mar 11, 2009 16:53:40 GMT
......guard training ready for the KO0 timetable transfer. Is it just me or does Key Output Zero hint at there being no trains run at all? Where on earth does this contrivance of jargon originate? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2009 17:17:36 GMT
I'm a fan of the Desiros too and wish there were even more of them. Always wondered why the WLL service isn't run by LM as it seems more a part of the WCML line than the BML now. Although the Electrostars are a bit less interesting they admittedly do a fine job on all the lines out to the coast, in all their various permutations. Im a Fan of Desiros to  not sure about the seat color on the new 350/2 if you ask me and they changed the seat config. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2009 5:23:45 GMT
No, Once BR, always BR! Perchance to dream...... I have to say that I would be surprised if EWS (DBS) crews have been trained on 'Disastros' as I cannot imagine them having the training paid for. They may be piloting other companies Drivers. True ... LM have paid for the training as they are using drivers on the St Albans Abbey As for KO0, DfT came up with that. I do, and consider them way better in terms of the passenger environment and experience than the Mk1 derivatives that went before. Not convinced they are better than the 442s they replaced on the SWML for passenger comfort... driving environment I would say is probably better on the Desiros though. |
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Post by metman on Mar 12, 2009 8:17:23 GMT
Will 350s be used on the Abbey Flyer when the rest of the fleet is delivered then?
I don't mind the Desiros, but I hate the noise they make. They sing at you!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2009 12:47:42 GMT
Will 350s be used on the Abbey Flyer when the rest of the fleet is delivered then? I don't mind the Desiros, but I hate the noise they make. They sing at you! awww it only singing to you  |
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Post by thc on Mar 12, 2009 15:22:22 GMT
Not convinced they are better than the 442s they replaced on the SWML for passenger comfort... driving environment I would say is probably better on the Desiros though. Sorry to split hairs, but the 442s are Mk3 derivatives, apart from the traction equipment "recovered" from the 4-REPs (and you sure can hear it when they're accelerating!) THC |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2009 16:33:14 GMT
Not convinced they are better than the 442s they replaced on the SWML for passenger comfort... driving environment I would say is probably better on the Desiros though. Sorry to split hairs, but the 442s are Mk3 derivatives, apart from the traction equipment "recovered" from the 4-REPs (and you sure can hear it when they're accelerating!) THC Am well aware, but they are derived from Mk1s primarily for that, and a few other bits and bobs as well AFAIK. |
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Post by DrOne on Mar 12, 2009 23:08:47 GMT
Yes the wavering whistle is funny, how did that escape?! They still rule though.
I wonder if Siemens have any metro type versions? I've been on the desiros in Germany & Austria (642?) and thought how good they'd be on places like the DLR, NLL and inner suburban routes in London. They have ridiculously good acceleration.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2009 21:26:06 GMT
......guard training ready for the KO0 timetable transfer. Is it just me or does Key Output Zero hint at there being no trains run at all? Where on earth does this contrivance of jargon originate? Im gonna make it worse for you. We/FCC are not introductiong the KO0 Timetable. The timetable we are launching with next week is the D1C KO0 Timetable! D1C stands for Day 1 Contingency. And trust me they turn it back into english for the press releases! |
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Post by mrfs42 on Mar 14, 2009 21:28:12 GMT
So what the flip does Key Output Zero *mean* - please?
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Post by amershamsi on Mar 14, 2009 22:08:51 GMT
No idea what it is meant to mean, however the works at Blackfriars mean that trains won't be able to terminate there, ditto Farringdon and Moorgate terminators.
Key Output Zero is the interim solution - most Blackfriars terminators going to Kentish Town/beyond, and the Moorgate terminators going to the Southern Region. (City Thameslink will terminate the other Southeastern trains). IIRC there are no extra trains between 'SPILL' (St Pancras International Low-Level) and Farringdon.
There's some trouble with stock and the voltage changeover, so it looks like City Thameslink terminators, and I have no idea for Moorgate terminators.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2009 22:20:15 GMT
Yes I do 'Disastros' as a passenger on an annoying regular basis (several times a week). They are slightly worse than the 442 'Plastic Pigs' as they have the more modern style of train seat. A piece of polystyrene or other unforgiving substance covered in a piece of fabric. The word 'cushions' cannot be used. Even after a wretched, delayed and generally rough night shift I find it impossible to get comfortable on them. However, unlike the 442s, the doors work! For short distance suburban work they are probably ok but for any distance over about thirty miles or so they are appalling! Then again, so is virtually any other modern train! I try not to live in the past but is it really too much to ask for a train seat that you can actually sit on without having to constantly shuffle about in order to keep the circulation going?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2009 23:39:41 GMT
i love my Desiros seening as i got no choice where i live its 350 or 321 oh and if i need to go via WLL then 377 but i no what you mean the seat are not really for long runs and dont i know it!!!! i had to go from Leighton Buzzard -Euston Euston - BNS(all stations)- BNS - Liverpool lime Street the joys of London Midland |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2009 16:24:53 GMT
So what the flip does Key Output Zero *mean* - please? I think it's just the DafT being obtuse or having an aversion to the word 'stage' :-) It's what would be better described as the start of Stage 1 of the Thameslink works. There's KO1 and KO2 to follow as well, as different stages of the infrastructure works are completed and train service patterns change. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2009 21:53:59 GMT
they entered service on the WLL services today, bear in mind that 377s are still used on the Westfield Shoppers Shuttle CLJ-SHPB, and then a evening run from Shepherd's Bush to Purley!
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Post by suncloud on Mar 17, 2009 0:20:35 GMT
Ended up on a 350 on the Southern service today, platform staff were having to point out that despite what it said on the side, it wasn't a London Midland train... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2009 14:38:14 GMT
Ended up on a 350 on the Southern service today, platform staff were having to point out that despite what it said on the side, it wasn't a London Midland train... oh really, im sure London midland still had one or two 350/1 still in the boring grey colors, if they did it would of been better for them to use one of them. |
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