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Post by roa on Mar 5, 2009 13:46:01 GMT
Hi all, just asking if anyone has photos or know of a web site where there are photos of the first day of D Stock in service.They were units 7532-7529 on Set 46. Thanks in advance.
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Post by maxtube on Mar 5, 2009 14:09:28 GMT
Do you mean September 26th?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 5, 2009 14:52:34 GMT
It was indeed 28 January 1980, set 046 driven by M/M DP. The best known photo of that first day is this one, shown at Earl's Court WB before the train was taken out of service with "door irregularities"! : tinyurl.com/cgrewt |
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Post by metman on Mar 5, 2009 22:44:32 GMT
Great photo, old and new together! I think I prefer the CO/CP stock - my second favourate surface stock!
How smooth was the introduction of the D stock?
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Post by maxtube on Mar 8, 2009 9:02:37 GMT
Oh, I thought by set 46 you meant September 46th!
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Post by JR 15secs on Mar 9, 2009 15:23:59 GMT
It was indeed 28 January 1980, set 046 driven by M/M DP. The best known photo of that first day is this one, shown at Earl's Court WB before the train was taken out of service with "door irregularities"! : tinyurl.com/cgrewtDP he has not changed just older and working at Baker Street, I seem to remember that the door problem was a design issue. |
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Post by astock5000 on Mar 9, 2009 22:25:35 GMT
I think I prefer the CO/CP stock - my second favourate surface stock! I also prefer CO/CP stock to unrefurbed D stock (but C stock is my second favourate). |
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Post by solidbond on Mar 9, 2009 22:27:25 GMT
I have some photos on my website, although I have a number that are still not scanned in!! You can see the ones that I do have online by clicking here |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2009 23:46:30 GMT
Ah, some happy memories there. My grandad used to walk me past those sidings regularly. I remember the undulating whining noise (that's the best way I can describe it) of the stabled CO/CP and R stock. He once dragged me along to see my first D stock train there too. They looked other-worldly compared with the trains I was used to travelling on.
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Post by mpd on Mar 11, 2009 21:38:19 GMT
How smooth was the introduction of D stock?
I can recall a few problems - as a trainee technician in 1981 helping drill holes in bogie frames at Ealing Common so you could get at the back of the brake hanger supports, plus a few minor issues. A year or two later spent two weeks commuting to Metro-Cammell to see one of the last units (i.e. not yet delivered) having holes dug in the roof for the fans vent slots and fitting of opening windows. Rather spoilt all the effort to make train-wash proof ventilation!
Otherwise trains have had a good innings and its hard to believe they are nearly 30 years old. The TEP (train equipment panel - box of tricks in the cab with the first microprocessor in it on any train) was a bit of a pain - put in a huge metal casting to protect it from everything. All the depot staff needed to improve their muscles to move the thing, and they were changed all too frequently in early years! Much of what didn't work on 1973TS did work on D stock because the equipment case sealing was much better and kept the dirt out, as was the standard of the wiring. It did help that the finished product was the same weight as the estimate when the braking calculations were done - by far the best way of avoiding flat wheels, plus the spring applied parking brake was a maintenace free, idiot proof, delight compared any previous design.
On occasion would have been nice to have a bit more metal here and there but the train was designed long before finite element anaysis of structures was readilly available and the train has certainly saved a fortune in electricity over it's life because a lot of effort was made to keep down the weight. Just 146.25 tonnes for a refurbished six-car compared with 213 tonnes predicted for an "S7". However we will get saloon air conditioning, higher acceleration, two extra bogies, inter-car gangways, 28 traction motors (instead of 16) so dustless braking, a remarkably strong car-body and quite a few extra goodies for that!
regards,
Malcolm
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 12, 2009 12:56:06 GMT
How smooth was the introduction of D stock? I can recall a few problems - as a trainee technician in 1981 helping drill holes in bogie frames at Ealing Common so you could get at the back of the brake hanger supports, plus a few minor issues. A year or two later spent two weeks commuting to Metro-Cammell to see one of the last units (i.e. not yet delivered) having holes dug in the roof for the fans vent slots and fitting of opening windows. Rather spoilt all the effort to make train-wash proof ventilation! Otherwise trains have had a good innings and its hard to believe they are nearly 30 years old. The TEP (train equipment panel - box of tricks in the cab with the first microprocessor in it on any train) was a bit of a pain - put in a huge metal casting to protect it from everything. All the depot staff needed to improve their muscles to move the thing, and they were changed all too frequently in early years! Much of what didn't work on 1973TS did work on D stock because the equipment case sealing was much better and kept the dirt out, as was the standard of the wiring. It did help that the finished product was the same weight as the estimate when the braking calculations were done - by far the best way of avoiding flat wheels, plus the spring applied parking brake was a maintenace free, idiot proof, delight compared any previous design. On occasion would have been nice to have a bit more metal here and there but the train was designed long before finite element anaysis of structures was readilly available and the train has certainly saved a fortune in electricity over it's life because a lot of effort was made to keep down the weight. Just 146.25 tonnes for a refurbished six-car compared with 213 tonnes predicted for an "S7". However we will get saloon air conditioning, higher acceleration, two extra bogies, inter-car gangways, 28 traction motors (instead of 16) so dustless braking, a remarkably strong car-body and quite a few extra goodies for that! regards, Malcolm That was unit 7108 that had the roof vent & window mods. You can still see the plating above the side windows covering the trial vents that were installed. Unit 7129, the last one, was the first to be fitted from new. "TEP"s eventually gave way to the "TMS"- a fixed unit with a removable circuit-board type thing on the front, no heavy lifting of the entire TEP unit with that special lifter device they had at ECom! |
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Post by smasher on Mar 12, 2009 14:29:22 GMT
I never knew the tms was an upgrade from the tep. Was the tep as confusing as the tms?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2009 17:20:29 GMT
I never knew the tms was an upgrade from the tep. Was the tep as confusing as the tms? TEP had more on it, so if you think the TMS is confusing , the answer is probably yes. Personally I find the TMS useful and not confusing at all. |
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