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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2009 21:33:01 GMT
Wikipedia states that back in 2003-4 there was a possibility that both Wapping and Rotherhithe will be closed and won't reopen with the rest of the line in 2010 - because the platforms at both are too short. How come they are too short? I mean, both A stock and new Overground trains have 4 coaches/cars, so are the new trains really that much longer?  I also seem to remember that both Wapping and Rotherhithe had some length of the platforms unused. Surely bringing them back to use would be enough?  |
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Post by astock5000 on Mar 2, 2009 21:46:04 GMT
Electrostar cars are a lot longer than A stock cars, but maybe using all the platform will be enough, as the stations will reopen. If the platforms aren't long enough, then they would probably use SDO.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2009 0:46:56 GMT
Well, at least they are not closing them! Wapping is probably my second favourite station of the Underground.  |
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Post by Ben on Mar 3, 2009 11:41:33 GMT
Electrostar cars are about 75' long aren't they? The Mets are 53'. However, in the past 5 car CO/CP served the station, and they were about 52½'; someone may be able to confirm this, but for a few months 6 car CO/CP stock ran too. Apparently the Guards hated it because both front and back doors had to be cut out at both these stations.
Its worth remembering that the shortest platforms on the line are at Canada Water, and these will be a nightmare to extend aswell.
If it werent the thames tunnel, it might have been worth investigating closing both stations, and building one in the middle with exits to both banks.
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Post by mrfs42 on Mar 3, 2009 12:55:47 GMT
However, in the past 5 car CO/CP served the station, and they were about 52½'; someone may be able to confirm this, but for a few months 6 car CO/CP stock ran too. Apparently the Guards hated it because both front and back doors had to be cut out at both these stations. According to my notes 6 car CP stock trains were used for WTT 207 (12//10/64 - 17/5/65) after that Q stock returned. Six car working on the ELL was in force with WTT 65 (28/11/38) - although most of the 6 car trains were predominantly N ×G/ N × to Hammersmith (and v. versa) trains in the morning and evening peaks with a couple in the evening Hm - N ×Dt. 6 car trains continued on Saturdays until 2.45ish pm - and one of these was the last remaining 6 car train to Shoreditch (train 77, 2.32pm off N × to Shoreditch), which was really a positioning move, for its next move was 2.47pm off Shoreditch straight to depot. This was also true for the last 6 car Whitechapel reverser (weekdays, train 74 9.22am off N ×G). |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2009 12:59:33 GMT
Its worth remembering that the shortest platforms on the line are at Canada Water, and these will be a nightmare to extend aswell. Canada Water will not be extended. The station was built in a site which was apparently so bad in terms of soil strength and quality that four-car platforms were all that could be managed. |
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Post by johnb on Mar 3, 2009 14:02:01 GMT
Imposing the 4-car bottleneck at Canada Water was a monumentally short-sighted decision for which someone should be shot. There's no longer any such thing as a site with soil too bad to create a decent tunnel in (see the Shanghai metro, effectively cut through soft mud the whole way through).
But anyway... I thought the plan to close Wapping and Rotherhithe was more to do with health and safety than length, as these stations had only one exit with no obvious way to create an emergency second way out?
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