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Post by 21146 on Feb 27, 2009 20:51:44 GMT
How much LT signage was ever installed on the stations beyond Amersham to Aylesbury? I believe there were certainly platform roundels at some locations. Were there exterior roundels too? Was Aylesbury, a 'Joint' station in Met Rly days, signed as BR(M), BR(W), BR(E) or LT?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2009 20:58:52 GMT
I think Great Missenden had roundels at one point... and there is also an old BR/LT track boundary sign just north of Amersham. Not sure of the exact distance but probably still there amoungst the undergrowth!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2009 21:48:32 GMT
Great Missenden Wendover and Stock Mandeville all had roundels until September 1961. However, they weren't proper enamel roundels but were paper roundels stuck on boards.
That's all I can help with on this one.
As a matter of interest, I was on the ceremonial special on the last day of loco-hauled passenger trains on LT. It left Baker Street at 14.30 on Saturday 9 September 1961 and ran to Amersham and back. Electric loco was No.18 Michael Faraday and the steam loco was 42070 from Rickmansworth. The driver was Arthur Bunce and his loco assistant was Dave Killen, who I recently had correspondence with - he left LT and went to Australia in 1967.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2009 0:37:33 GMT
also an old BR/LT track boundary sign just north of Amersham. Not sure of the exact distance but probably still there amoungst the undergrowth! AFAIK, the BR/LT boundary sign is still there. |
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Post by metman on Feb 28, 2009 1:19:39 GMT
Back in the day, Aylesbury was MR, GCR and GWR!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2009 13:07:57 GMT
Strictly, Aylesbury Station was originally Wycombe Railway (which became part of the GWR), but ended up (after 1907) as joint between the Met & GC Joint, and GW & GC Joint!
l believe that remained the situation up until 1948 (nobody dared disturb the formal names of the joint undertakings): according to Barker & Robbins after 1948 the line between Harrow and Aylesbury South Junction (i.e. excluding Aylesbury Station) became part of the London Transport Executive's railway (formally vested in LT 25 June 1950, but they don't state what happened to Aylesbury Station - can anybody confirm the obvious implication, that it became a (purely) British Railways Station at that time (albeit with LT trains until 1961).
The boundary between LT & BR north of Amersham (nominally Mantles Wood - LU km 87.02, 25m21ch on BR according to Quail) was only established in 1961 (when lines north thereof were transferred to BR) - I understand it was defined somewhat arbitrarily as (IIRC) the sighting point for (the then) Amersham Up distant signal, and so would have had to be marked on the ground - I doubt anybody has removed such mark - it is doubtless needed by P Way staff to know where to stop.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2009 13:18:23 GMT
The boundary between LT & BR north of Amersham (nominally Mantles Wood - LU km 87.02, 25m21ch on BR according to Quail) was only established in 1961 (when lines north thereof were transferred to BR) - I understand it was defined somewhat arbitrarily as (IIRC) the sighting point for (the then) Amersham Up distant signal, and so would have had to be marked on the ground - I doubt anybody has removed such mark - it is doubtless needed by P Way staff to know where to stop. Actually, I was under the impression that the current boundary is the same location (or close by) as the original maintenance boundary split established back in 1901 or thereabouts, with the GCR maintaining the Joint line north of the boundary and the Met maintaining it south of the boundary. To answer Jim, the boundary sign is definitely still there. An adventurous enough person who obeys the rules might be able to actually see it from the trackside, but it is best seen from a down train to Aylesbury. |
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Post by mrfs42 on Feb 28, 2009 15:33:35 GMT
Hmmmm. AIUI there are three specific boundaries:
Track maintenance (which is situate at the ¼ mile post)
Signal Maintenance Down road (which is just off the end for the overlap for JW. 70)
Signal Maintenance Up road (which is just off the sighting point for the Up distant)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2009 17:22:02 GMT
Hmmmm. AIUI there are three specific boundaries: Track maintenance (which is situate at the ¼ mile post) Signal Maintenance Down road (which is just off the end for the overlap for JW. 70) Signal Maintenance Up road (which is just off the sighting point for the Up distant) Which of these is the ownership boundary (or is that a fourth)? |
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Post by mrfs42 on Feb 28, 2009 17:29:15 GMT
I'm pretty sure it is the track maintenance boundary, but I'm open to correction on this.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2009 18:12:42 GMT
I'm pretty sure it is the track maintenance boundary, but I'm open to correction on this. I believe it is, there is another sign just south of Harrow on the Hill to mark the same. |
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