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Post by miztert on Feb 19, 2009 13:27:47 GMT
Source - Press AssociationAlso see this article from the Independent concerning the possibility of strikes, which ends with this line: The RMT claimed a complete breakdown of industrial relations at London Overground.So, what's up at LOROL then? Are TfL contemplating staffing cutbacks under the direction of the new Mayor, or is it something else entirely? |
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Post by 21146 on Feb 19, 2009 15:05:15 GMT
Given the disparity of the LO and LU rates of pay for SS and SSMF (or equivalant) was it just luck of the draw whether staff were at, say Willesden Junction instead of Harlesden, or Gunnersbury instead of South Acton, when Silverlink came to an end?
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Post by Tomcakes on Feb 19, 2009 15:05:31 GMT
I don't think it would cause widespread disruption - if only those TOCs, which cover a relatively small area.
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Post by Ben on Feb 19, 2009 15:12:43 GMT
Can London and the south east ecconomy as a whole actually support wages in a similar bracket to those of LUL being applied by TfL to the overground aswell? To take that further, if the former Mayors aspiration of controlling all suburban commuter lines comes to pass, will it still balance if the rail industry in the south east as a whole is payed in some cases 10k more?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2009 15:23:16 GMT
Years ago there was a comparison list of what each TOC paid staff. I think, at the time EWS was top of the freight group, and EPS [Eurostar] was top of the Passenger List. Overall, there was a clear gap of around £9,700 between the bottom TOC and the top!
I suppose a lot of the disparity relates to the differing Terms and Conds for each TOC. Making each TOC play on a level field to each other, thus making the Terms and Conds the same might solve this issue. I guess getting all staff to agree to a level field might take some persuading.
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Post by Tomcakes on Feb 19, 2009 15:50:39 GMT
Single status is a difficult thing, and I'm sure that it would be costly - as unions would ensure that things were rounded up rather than down. However, there's then the argument that few people actually do exactly the same job. An ordinary member of platform staff at one station might have quite different duties to one at another, for example.
However, I don't think the unions would manage to get far if they were asking for higher pay whilst - at the moment - most people take an effective cut.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 19, 2009 16:32:34 GMT
If Joe Bloggs at station X gets a 3% rise while Jane Doe at station Y only gets 1% then, even though this takes them both to the same pay level, Jane isn't going to be happy.
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Post by miztert on Feb 19, 2009 16:53:18 GMT
Can London and the south east ecconomy as a whole actually support wages in a similar bracket to those of LUL being applied by TfL to the overground aswell? To take that further, if the former Mayors aspiration of controlling all suburban commuter lines comes to pass, will it still balance if the rail industry in the south east as a whole is payed in some cases 10k more? LOROL employees are emphatically not paid salaries equivalent to LU though, so the latter part of the above comment doesn't really pan out anyway. However it's this factor of different pay and conditions that might have something to do with the current apparent turbulence - as 21146 says, a number of LO stations got transferred directly from Silverlink to LU management (basically most of those up the Bakerloo line plus Kew Gardens and Gunnersbury) instead of being transferred to LOROL management. I don't know what the detailed arrangements were whatsoever, but if it was luck of the draw as to which Silverlink staff went to LU and which to LOROL then one can imagine there might well be a bit of resentment as those who went to LOROL realise what they missed out on. As I said, I don't know the detailed machinations of the staff transfer arrangements so it could well be rather more complicated than that. And the problems might have little or nothing to do with that whatsoever - the above is all just speculation, pure and simple. That's why I started this thread - to see if anyone 'in the know' might be able to provide some insight into what's going on. [Edit...]D'oh! I've only just noticed another new thread on the LO board called "Possible strike" started by Morden Depot - he provided a link to a BBC News story, which suggests a whole number of problems including the issue of whether the new trains will have guards on board (I always thought the plan was that they'd all be DOO) but there seem to be other issues as well. The BBC news story is here. |
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