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Post by Tubeboy on Feb 19, 2009 13:19:36 GMT
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Post by 21146 on Feb 19, 2009 17:38:24 GMT
But surely they're not "conductors" as they don't perform any ticket-issuing or revenue duties? If guards are justified on LO [and I'm not arguing otherwise], there's even more reason to reinstate them on LU given the greater numbers of passengers carried, and operation below ground in deep tunnels; plus to provide a bank of experience for future drivers.
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Post by Tubeboy on Feb 19, 2009 18:07:32 GMT
Well LO/Siverlink termed them as conductors.
I agree with you guards should be brought back to LU.
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Post by johnb on Feb 20, 2009 16:07:10 GMT
Yes, that'd be a really sensible way to deal with budget constraints.
The guards on the 313s do *nothing at all of any use*. If they went through the train checking tickets and providing a visible presence to passengers, that would be a good thing. But they don't, they sit in a cab and push buttons that the driver could just as well push him/herself.
LU rightly decided that the focus should be on providing visible, customer-facing station staff.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2009 16:17:14 GMT
IMHO if money wasn't such an issue, guards on trains would improve the service because train defects, passenger alarms etc. could in many cases be dealt with quicker.
However, I've heard that LO drivers and guards don't deal with train defects anyway! Can anybody confirm or deny this?
In the real world there is never going to be the money for guards on LU and I can see the logic in making LO the same. They have to pay for the new trains and more frequent service somehow!
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Post by superteacher on Feb 20, 2009 17:37:38 GMT
No chance of guards ever coming back on LU, so even less than no chance of them staying on LO!
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Post by Tomcakes on Feb 20, 2009 19:51:09 GMT
Many unions seem to be under the impression that there is always an infinite pot of money, which doesn't have to be spent on anything other than staff salaries.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2009 20:43:35 GMT
Thing is, Staff pay their subs to the union, so should therefore expect support and a voice when required. Most staff will say you can do x, y and z to save money and thus cuts in workforce, but top dogs rarely see it this way. In some ways it is unfortunate that unions do not have the clout that they used to have.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2009 9:27:52 GMT
The guards on the 313s do *nothing at all of any use*. If they went through the train checking tickets and providing a visible presence to passengers, that would be a good thing. But they don't, they sit in a cab and push buttons that the driver could just as well push him/herself. How many tickets do you think they could check between stations?? I guess you do realise how long it takes between stations?  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2009 9:30:47 GMT
However, I've heard that LO drivers and guards don't deal with train defects anyway! Can anybody confirm or deny this? Depends what defect you are talking about? We deal with defects in the way of keeping the train moving. Even if that means, isolating safety systems (e.g. AWS), detraining and limping to the Depot. But we do not change defective compressors for example |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2009 20:23:06 GMT
However, I've heard that LO drivers and guards don't deal with train defects anyway! Can anybody confirm or deny this? Depends what defect you are talking about? We deal with defects in the way of keeping the train moving. Even if that means, isolating safety systems (e.g. AWS), detraining and limping to the Depot. But we do not change defective compressors for example I meant, for example, getting under seats to manually release brakes, isolate compressors, isolate air leaks, lift traction shoes, that sort of thing. More involved than just resetting an MCB in the cab, but not actually getting out a toolkit and a box of spare parts! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2009 13:19:33 GMT
We do all of what you say apart from lift traction shoes. They never get lifted.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2009 15:22:01 GMT
How many tickets do you think they could check between stations?? I guess you do realise how long it takes between stations? Seems to work for the DLR OK. I'd say the presence of a member of staff (whether or not they are checking tickets) moving through the cars is one of the best things about the DLR. |
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Post by superteacher on Feb 22, 2009 15:58:22 GMT
How many tickets do you think they could check between stations?? I guess you do realise how long it takes between stations? Seems to work for the DLR OK. I'd say the presence of a member of staff (whether or not they are checking tickets) moving through the cars is one of the best things about the DLR. Although these days, they seem to be sitting at the front more often than not, ready to sort out any problems / failures! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2009 17:00:12 GMT
The guards on the 313s do *nothing at all of any use*. If they went through the train checking tickets and providing a visible presence to passengers, that would be a good thing. But they don't, they sit in a cab and push buttons that the driver could just as well push him/herself. Will the new Electrostars have door controls at each doorway? Edit - TC - fixed dodgy quote code  |
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Post by dazz285 on Feb 22, 2009 18:01:41 GMT
until Lorol get a working we don't know ;-) but we belive this will be the case but only on alternative doors.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2009 20:12:20 GMT
Anyone know what jobs are under threat at National Express, First Capital Connect and South West Trains?
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Post by happybunny on Feb 22, 2009 22:03:12 GMT
But if the trains are OPO they won't need the door controls anyway at the doors
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Post by Tomcakes on Feb 22, 2009 22:04:23 GMT
Are these door controls for a guard, or door controls for passengers? Unlike LU practice, these are on (almost?) all national rail stocks - excluding those with droplights and proper slam doors!
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Post by dazz285 on Feb 23, 2009 7:23:50 GMT
There will be door controls for the passengers and until Lorol get a working train who knows what type of panel the guards will use...
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Post by miztert on Feb 23, 2009 11:06:29 GMT
There will be door controls for the passengers and until Lorol get a working train who knows what type of panel the guards will use... One would hope LOROL know already... |
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Post by happybunny on Feb 23, 2009 11:09:46 GMT
Again.. I really don't know why they will have any guards panels when there won't be guards on the trains ... doesn't make sense  |
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