London Overground as a Circle

Hence why it'll never get used - to be a TfL map it would need at least five little symbols at each station, a notice about engineering works and the Oyster helldesk number ;D!

Indeed, from the diagram it's obvious that there's a big circle line, a Highbury-Stratford shuttle, a Surrey Quays-New Cross Shuttle, a Richmond-Willesden shuttle, etc...

Simple is the right word (and simple designs are inherently easy to understand - tautology there), but misleading, awful, wrong and over-simplistic are also right words to describe this.

"awful" isnt a particularly right word to describe it. In fact I'd say its an extremely subjective word to use. I like it; its novel, and eye catching. It an embryonic good design; a good concept. Now to make it work well with the actual situation on thew ground...

Qudos to the person who made it.

Highbury-Canonbury is very wrong in terms of a diagram of the network - that shouldn't be a double line at all if it was just a network map, else it suggests, especially with the separate circles, a physically separate branch on the network (see Goblin) - if you are going to do it, at least make the pair of tracks that terminates at Highbury should stop, but that would ruin the artistic design of the 'map'.

And is Richmond got to from Euston, the circle or both? Physically, and service-wise only the circle, but the diagram raises that question.in which case it cannot not be a right word to use, as I subjectively feel it's right to say it's awful. If something is subjective then all opinions are equally right.

It is novel (and nothing more than a novelty at the moment). It is eye-catching. It is embryonic of a good design (the potential is there, though quite a lot of changes in design philosophy are needed - branches off from between stations, not having the circle as continuous, etc). However I feel that as it is very misleading of the situation on the ground (in both network and service terms), it's awful - it's unusable, it's nothing more than a pretty picture.

Form over function, to the point where something becomes misleading, is awful IMV. If you want a pretty picture, try landscapes or something.

Here's the diagram with some improvements in terms of network/service. It's become useable, and (while I've just done some really awful joining up/realigning in a couple of minutes, so the joins look awful) keeps the idea of an bold circle but makes it useful, rather than the complete opposite of useful (which isn't useless, the absence of use, but misleading and hindering). Oh no, the circle is broken!

Fair play, amershamsi, but presenting an opinion as a fact is wrong, imho...

Agree with you and Chris about it being misleading service-wise, but also agree with Chris about furthering the concept. There will be serious problems for this if Primrose hill reopened!

Have they written 'Layton'??

Torrenham

Harlesdon

Brokley

I like the idea, but here is a question. How would you fit in Primrose Hill if it reopens?

The original has two lines, hence why I continued that. Obviously as it's 4-track, it's unique. I wouldn't care if you had it as one line that branches, rather than two parallel lines.Rather pointless. People don't need telling that it's a circle - TfL have been spouting that for years. People need telling that it isn't really a circle in terms of services, but a collection of tangents and arcs that allow, at best, a semi-circle. People have the concept of a circle in their head already, but it's a misleading concept.

From investigating the site, I think this person might have done a lot of the other stuff as IT projects for school/college. :-?