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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2009 11:29:20 GMT
Is there really any point in these two stations remaining open given the rather limited service and useage they get and both stations are rather down at the heel with somewhat basic facilities.
Wembley Stadium does seem a little busier and perhaps more trains could stop there to compensate?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2009 11:31:06 GMT
IIRC there were plans to close Sudbury Hill Harrow a few years back but there was a lot of opposition from residents and so forth I think.
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Post by metman on Feb 14, 2009 12:00:32 GMT
The idea was to have a Chiltern metro running at 4tph all stations to West Ruislip from Maylebone. This was one reason why the extra platforms were built at Marylebone. I don't know whats happening with the idea now.
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Post by ruislip on Feb 15, 2009 4:14:42 GMT
Weren't there plans made to initiate interchange between the Chiltern at Sudbury Hill Harrow with the adjacent Piccadilly Line station, as this interchange is now shown on the Piccy's car maps?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2009 4:28:29 GMT
Given how busy the Neasden South to Northolt line is these days, you would need to reinstate the original station layouts in order to allow trains to stop there (i.e. platform loops). Likewise, you would need to reinstate most of the connections and tracks between Northolt Junction and West Ruislip in order to provide a place for the service to terminate properly without blocking other Chiltern and WSMR services.
It's doable, but what's the point?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2009 21:17:21 GMT
The line isn't that busy off peak and the London area stations are poorly served, how about more trains serving Wembley Stadium, Northolt Park and West Ruislip with the poorly used Sudbury stations and South Ruislip closing? They all have reasonable tube alternatives.
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Post by metman on Feb 15, 2009 21:45:24 GMT
If I lived in Sudbury I'd be very upset if they shut the Chiltern stations. There is a tube line, but the Piccadilly takes ages to get anywhere! At least it's 15mins to Marylebone.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2009 22:57:45 GMT
I wish they'd stop in Sudbury more. As Metman says, it's a right pain having to take the Picc anywhere and the Chiltern is so quick. I think part of the reason that there are relatively few passengers on the platforms is that it doesn't stop often. Mind you, that platform can be quite crowded in the morning.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2009 23:13:04 GMT
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Post by ruislip on Feb 16, 2009 0:58:16 GMT
If I lived in Sudbury I'd be very upset if they shut the Chiltern stations. There is a tube line, but the Piccadilly takes ages to get anywhere! At least it's 15mins to Marylebone. Just considering the tubes, wouldn't it be quicker to get to some destinations from Sudbury by taking the Picc to Rayners Lane and changing there to an "up" Met service?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2009 3:17:05 GMT
I would keep this station, close the other one and rebuild this one with platform loops and a crossover between the main lines. Any desire to rebuild this station will probably not come from within Chiltern or TfL - I would suspect that a local developer or pressure group would probably have to provide the majority of the funding, given the lack of interest shown so far.
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Post by happybunny on Feb 16, 2009 5:16:09 GMT
There probably only open because the Picc Rayners Lane branch has such a poor service !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2009 11:03:03 GMT
What really drew my attention to how odd the present stopping arrangements are at London area stations was when I was at West Ruislip recently, a young lady had arrived by Central Line and enquired about her connection to High Wycombe and looked somewhat bemused when she was told she had just missed one and would either have to wait 50 minutes for the next one or get back onto the tube to South Ruislip and get one from there. A more regular service from West Ruislip would surely be useful for people going from NW London towards The Midlands etc?
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Post by happybunny on Feb 16, 2009 15:56:56 GMT
I agree with the above. Its common unless you check the times before you leave, to have to go to one of the Ruislip's then see how long the wait is, then go off to the other Ruislip.
I think the idea of the 4tph West Ruislip all stations service is a great idea ! Then the other trains could run non-stop to West Ruislip. All other services that stopped at either/and Wembley, the Sudburys, South Ruislip would make there first call at West Ruislip. There might be even enough room at West Ruislip to make an additional 'bay road' in between the two main roads (there is a pretty big 6 foot there) for the local stopping service to reverse without hindering the through services !
Probably just dreaming there I know, but there must be something they can do to simplify the situation on Chilterns London services.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2009 22:31:55 GMT
What they could do is move the current Down platform over towards the through road. There was at one time two through tracks, now only one; either make this platform an island with the outer face reversible, or rebuild the platform, a la Gerrards Cross; moved inwards so that the tracks use the former through roads. However, this might not be feasible is Chiltern ever plan to increase services; with Alyesbury - Claydon - Milton Keynes being on the cards???
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Post by DrOne on Feb 17, 2009 0:30:32 GMT
I think any plans for a 'Metro' service would only work if they don't affect paths of longer distance services. It would appear that the next focus will be reaching Oxford, then Milton Keynes. After that, any further developments will probably depend on capacity south of Neasden and platform capacity at Marylebone (current peak use ~15 of a probable 20tph max?)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2009 1:30:45 GMT
The easiest way to accommodate a "Metro" service at West Ruislip would be to do the following:
- Demolish the signal box and the widened portion of the down platform. - Restore four tracks through the station, narrowing to three tracks (two down, one up) between West and South Ruislip - Restore the missing connections at South Ruislip (i.e. the direct down GC to down main and direct up main to up GC) - Modify the layout north of West Ruislip to provide the following: = a down side goods/stock loop, connected to the down main by a trailing connection at the north end and the down platform road by an end-on connection, with the existing trailing connection to the Ruislip back road retained; = a ladder junction between the down side goods/stock loop and the up platform road, allowing direct access to the up platform road from the down side goods/stock loop; = provision for driver and stock facilities in the up side engineers' sidings, allowing stock to shunt back from the up platform road and layover, either for inter-peak stabling or for storing duds until an ECS path opens to Wembley.
This is the sort of layout you would need for maximum flexibility at West Ruislip; it allows the freight movements and WSMR services to pass the station at speed; it offers a location for the Metro services to reverse and additionally improves accessibility to Ruislip Depot; and it offers a location near Wembley that can be used to store a failed train.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2009 16:50:11 GMT
I must say, given that there are also two Sudbury stations on the nearby Piccadilly line, I am surpirsed that the Chiltern Sudburies attract as many people as they do!
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