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Post by 21146 on Feb 11, 2009 0:21:40 GMT
Another classic afternoon/evening!
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Post by Colin on Feb 11, 2009 0:38:16 GMT
Or not depending on your point of view.
At least two members were involved in unusual happenings - Aspect beat everyone to it when a Hornchurch shuttle was put in (later extended to Dagenham East).........and I had the pleasure of piloting a C stock from Barking to Dagenham East!
As for the failure itself, it initially knocked out the whole area covered by Barking cabin; Bromley-by-Bow to Dagenham East!
The area of failure was eventually contained to Upney on the westbound, where no less than five signals were bobbing (quite a sight in the dark) and the home signals for Barking which were remaining red despite the diagram in the cabin displaying them as bobbing.
Everything was back to normal after some 4 hours - but of course the train service cannot possibly cope with that sort of disruption and so chaos was the only result.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 2:26:55 GMT
At least two members were involved in unusual happenings - Three  I got stuck outside Dag East and after 40 minutes eventually applied the rule to get by cab in the platform to detrain passengers after the train in front was moved forward to give me room.  |
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Post by happybunny on Feb 11, 2009 10:02:04 GMT
I was stuck between BBB and WH EB for half an hour, eventually made it to the last home signal, and applied the rule to get in the platform and let passengers off. I was amazed that just when the situation started occuring, they were sending so many trains from Earls Court through the city. Of course this only had one consequence .. chaos !! My train for example, after the incident started I picked up on time ECT EB was supposed to do Upminster Ealing Stow. I can't believe they didn't do High St Ealing Stow.
Not for my gain (although I would have gained) - but get the early stablers out and away, less trains on the line, the situation would have been eased when everything ended up stuck between pretty much the city and Barking with nothing moving, and trains stuck between stations for ages !
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Post by Colin on Feb 11, 2009 12:02:45 GMT
I was amazed that just when the situation started occuring, they were sending so many trains from Earls Court through the city. Trouble was, initially the signal main appeared to come back several times (failure was initially intermittent) - what if half the service were pulled and it turned out the failure wasn't as bad? To be fair to service control, you can't always predict how these things will pan out. |
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Post by happybunny on Feb 11, 2009 12:30:03 GMT
True... but it might have been a good idea to send a few trains to High St, PG or Ealing or something, then if its sorted out send them east then.. anyway I am no controller im not sure what happened exactly but there must be reasons for every decision..
When I was at BBB EB for about 20 minutes and nothing went west in that time I even suggested to the LC that I mite be reversed there to go back West, but he told me that all the routes had been secured earlier cos of the big failure.. so that certainly made things a lot worse !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2009 20:28:07 GMT
haha, Colin, was I a touch indiscreet in shoulder barging everyone out of the way, with my hand up shouting I'd do the Hornchurch shuttle ? ? ? ;D ;D ;D I did 5 Upminster - Hornchurch trips and an Upminster - Dagenham East, as well as stable one, so not bad considering my offical train was a cancellation anyway before the signal main failure occured.  Bid dissapointed that the failure was described several times variously as suspended Whitechapel - Upminster, Plaistow - Upminster and Barking - Upminster, without making clear that we were running Hornchurch - Upminster and had been for some time when it was being announced ! |
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Post by 21146 on Feb 11, 2009 20:32:45 GMT
Anyone get a photo of the C Stock at Dag East?
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Post by Colin on Feb 12, 2009 0:02:04 GMT
I suppose that should have been me 21146, as I was there, but unfortunately the answer is no. My mobile (with it's 5MP camera) was nicked last month; being as my contract is up for renewal in March, I've borrowed an old phone to get me by.........and it refused to take even a half decent image - especially as it was dark (around 8pm). Even if I had got a picture, I wouldn't have been able to share it as I don't have the means to get anything off this temporary phone and onto my PC or laptop. Note to self: make sure the next one is insured and don't just take the idiots word for it when you set up the contract  EDIT: being a fan of Sony Ericsson's, I'm thinking of getting the 8MP C905 - anyone know if its a good'un? |
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Post by 21146 on Feb 12, 2009 0:23:04 GMT
I suppose that should have been me 21146, as I was there, but unfortunately the answer is no. My mobile (with it's 5MP camera) was nicked last month; being as my contract is up for renewal in March, I've borrowed an old phone to get me by.........and it refused to take even a half decent image - especially as it was dark (around 8pm). Even if I had got a picture, I wouldn't have been able to share it as I don't have the means to get anything off this temporary phone and onto my PC or laptop. Note to self: make sure the next one is insured and don't just take the idiots word for it when you set up the contract Was there an official Apology Poster for this fiasco? There're knocked-out big-time for much minor problems. EDIT: being a fan of Sony Ericsson's, I'm thinking of getting the 8MP C905 - anyone know if its a good'un? |
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Post by 21146 on Feb 12, 2009 0:24:51 GMT
Was there an official Apology Poster for this fiasco? There're knocked-out big-time for much minor problems.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2009 3:47:06 GMT
What caused the initial failure? Was it an earth or a series arc, for example?
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Post by Colin on Feb 12, 2009 4:25:11 GMT
IIRC from the service managers summary, it boiled down to a loss of 600v supply to the IMR in Barking sidings - and a 15M cable needed replacing (dunno if the two are the same thing).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2009 5:15:39 GMT
the failure was indeed a short in a cable between FF3 signal and the next location the air was removed from the barking IMR's ( all 3 ) to supply through running. the cable was replaced that night and normal service resumed.
just for info there is 2 AC main east of bromley by bow (cambell road sub gap) one is the 600v this supplys everything apart from the track circuits at 33 1/3hz and there is a 440v AC main to supply the track circuits at 33 1/3hz the reason why you had bobbing signals is that both feeds need to be in phase with each other to operate the relay correctly because the 600v supply kept tripping because of the fault this is why the main was out of phase
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