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Post by ek583 on Feb 19, 2009 0:46:16 GMT
I think the exterior view of the 92 is the best on the combine - that is after taking into account the Sellotape and vandalism. Photogenically a far nicer looking train the the 95/6 which are a step back in design. They don't know what they are - a Craven or a 92? A cross between the two perhaps and somewhat claustrophobic inside compared to the brighter airier 92. Completely agree with you there. IMO, they are one of the best looking trains on LU among the current fleet. OTOT, their superb acceleration and braking along with the wonderful sounds of the motors during acceleration give them a unique character, in spite of all the problems they've had over the years.
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Post by maxtube on Feb 19, 2009 12:35:46 GMT
The 1992 Stock does have quite bad seats, but not as bad as the Electrostars! I had to sit on a rock hard seat all the way from London to Brighton!
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Post by suncloud on Feb 19, 2009 15:48:18 GMT
I know which I preferred on the first leg of a commute to Sussex from Watford Junction or Essex... An Electrostar where I could sit, in a comfortable seat with a table or a 92ts where I'd usually have to stand...
(Hint: the driving cars of most of the Southern 377 units have the more comfortable seats)
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Post by maxtube on Feb 19, 2009 17:34:12 GMT
(Hint: the driving cars of most of the Southern 377 units have the more comfortable seats) I was in a driving car!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2009 10:26:21 GMT
The 1992 Stock does have quite bad seats, but not as bad as the Electrostars! I had to sit on a rock hard seat all the way from London to Brighton! Do you mean the 2x2 seated (with armrests and tables) Electrostars or the 2X3 ones (without armrests or proper tables)? The latter are indeed awful and I can't understand why they went for that option. What's the betting they'll end up ripping out the centre seats on the x3 rows - thus obviating the "extra seats provided" argument?
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Post by maxtube on Feb 21, 2009 11:58:45 GMT
I mean the 2+2 sort. The First Capital Connect 365s aren't very good either.
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Post by bowchurch on Feb 28, 2009 14:02:52 GMT
The 92s have the worse seating on any LU train, hopefully they'll rip them out and start again nwhen they are eventually refurbed. What could you do different though? I cannot see too many options. As for the lighting, I was on one of these the other days and wasn't sure what the difference was, it just seemed different. My comment about the seats was about the way they look. The 92 seats do look a lot dirtier than those on other stock. Maybe it is just an age thing, but a deep clean could make them look a lot better. I use the Central line daily to get to work, and between all the sites I work at, and how comfortable the seats are isn't something that bothers me too much. I'd not want to trade them in for other slower stock with better seats, White City to Mile End takes long enough already. The reason the inside looks different with the new light tubes is because they have a different colour temperature. So the surfaces inside the train look a slightly different colour as they reflect this light back. It does seem more obvious in the 92 stock than it did when they changed the tubes on the D stock a few years back. Thinking about it the 92 has the centre light, and a light each side above the seats making three tubes in parallel. Does other stock have this many light sources, or are the wattages different to compensate?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2009 10:21:23 GMT
I've been on 92s a lot the last few days, the one thing that annoys me is the DVA. It seems to have started to malfunction on every single train, unless I've been unlucky and caught the exact same train every time It announces the station and the destination of the train, then the doors close and it does it again, even once the train has started moving...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2009 13:41:41 GMT
It's been like that for years... very annoying!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2009 20:51:19 GMT
It's been like that for years... very annoying! Has it? I've not heard it until recently.
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Post by maxtube on Mar 15, 2009 21:22:02 GMT
I've never heard that, but I heard a strange occurance at Holland Park, while Shepherd's Bush was closed:
'This is Holland Park. This is a Central Line train to Ealing Broadway. The next station is closed, this train will not stop at the next station.' <Doors Close, then spring open> 'This is Holland Park. This is a Central Line train to Ealing Broadway.' <Doors Close> 'Please note that this train will not stop at the next station.' Weird. It certainly wasn't someone shut in the doors that made them re-open...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2009 21:40:36 GMT
It certainly wasn't someone shut in the doors that made them re-open... Someone shut in the doors is never going to make the doors re open, only the driver can re open the doors.
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Post by maxtube on Mar 16, 2009 15:59:36 GMT
And even then he could just use selective open.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2009 1:07:26 GMT
Has it? I've not heard it until recently. Heard it a lot back in 2006 and 2007 on a train leaving Stratford. Train regularly started playing station announcement with all interchanges when already moving away from the platform.
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Post by superteacher on Mar 17, 2009 21:32:25 GMT
I think it depends at what point the doors are closed. Also, one driver I had recently had a habit, for some reason, of pressing the door open controls about 3 or 4 times, which meant the announcement played 3 or 4 times. Most annoying!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2009 10:12:00 GMT
It certainly wasn't someone shut in the doors that made them re-open... Someone shut in the doors is never going to make the doors re open, only the driver can re open the doors. Mabie the driver saw he/she still had a red starter. I know a driver that heard the points move shut the doors and departed without looking at the signal and........
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2009 14:07:18 GMT
Someone shut in the doors is never going to make the doors re open, only the driver can re open the doors. Mabie the driver saw he/she still had a red starter. I know a driver that heard the points move shut the doors and departed without looking at the signal and........ You seem to misunderstand my answer. A train is unlike a lift where an obstruction will automatically re-open the doors. The only way the doors will re-open will be when the buttons are pressed in the cab.
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Post by maxtube on Mar 18, 2009 17:20:06 GMT
Except for the S Stock which I think will feature automatic re-open.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2009 17:35:31 GMT
Except for the S Stock which I think will feature automatic re-open. I doubt it, that will be a disaster with people constantly obstructing the doors.
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Post by Ben on Mar 18, 2009 20:07:02 GMT
I thought the S stock would only reopen by a couple of inches - enough for one to free themselves?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2009 6:55:21 GMT
I thought the S stock would only reopen by a couple of inches - enough for one to free themselves? All trains currently have a few inches give to allow objects to be removed. I have no idea if the S stock will autom atically re-open a couple of inches, but think if it will this will be a backwards step and increase dwell times and be open to abuse during school tipping out times.
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Post by Colin on Mar 19, 2009 12:29:18 GMT
Jim, the S stock door system has been covered in detail lower down in the 'New & Future trains' area (in more than one thread, so I won't link to any here).
The S stock will have obstacle detection and the doors will re-open up to 3 times, but only by a small amount. If they cannot close after the three attempts, they will fully re-open and it will be left to the driver to try again.
I have my doubts about this system but having seen it in action on the S stock mock up last year, I'll reserve judgement till they enter service.
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Post by setttt on Mar 19, 2009 18:56:23 GMT
The S stock will have obstacle detection and the doors will re-open up to 3 times, but only by a small amount. If they cannot close after the three attempts, they will fully re-open and it will be left to the driver to try again. Without looking at the relevant thread I can't be certain, but I recall they will not fully re-open after the 3 attempts, but will simply remain open 'a small amount'.
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Post by Colin on Mar 20, 2009 3:44:42 GMT
You are quite correct Seth - it took me a while, but I've found the relevant post: The current plan is to have them open to the push back only and then attempt to re-close three times at which point they will open to the pushback and await driver intervention (either selectively open them again or try for another close attempt).
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Post by Chris M on Mar 20, 2009 9:47:26 GMT
If they work the same as on the mockup, each door will only open an inch or so wider than the blockage. If after the first attempt the blockage becomes smaller then they will reopen only an inch or so wider than the new blockage not the original one.
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